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Well guys the weather is finally warm enough to start my M90 Cobra motor install into my 94 SC. So far ive pulled the entire SC powertrain including all related wiring harnesses. Just the boring stuff for now.

Powerwashed engine compartment
Installed the new "custom" Cobra harness and PCM
Installed "custom" adapter from the EEC harness to 94 SC dash
Installed 1.25 Addco front sway bar
Mark VIII coolant reservoir

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Install K-member spacers(.25) and sway bar mounting bracket spacers(.50)
install Cobra starter harness and Battery harness- with necessary adjustments
modify Cobra PS pump to use EVO sensor
Install Cobra motor for mach ups.

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Awesome! Where did ya scoop the motor & trans from?
I found it collecting dust in a storage room at Roush. I worked in the performance division there for about 7 years. Didnt pay that great but it had its perks.
I wont even tell you what I paid for it. The trans was not attached to the engine I bought that seperately from Roush. It already has a hydraulic slave in it so its ready for the SC set up.
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Thats freakin sweet. & now you have me curious of what you paid for it lol.

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Q: Did you fabricate your own M90 => 5.0 lower intake?

Also, from what I've read, lots of folks seem to believe that the M90 is undersized for a 302.
Is this just a case of "its hard to beat cheap" or do you think their concerns are just a bunch of hooey?

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What 302?
Nevermind, I though that the Cobra engine he was using was a 5.0 (94-95) and not a 4.6.
You guys recognize V8s better than me.
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Q: Did you fabricate your own M90 => 5.0 lower intake?

Also, from what I've read, lots of folks seem to believe that the M90 is undersized for a 302.
Is this just a case of "its hard to beat cheap" or do you think their concerns are just a bunch of hooey?

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Well for those who say that the M90 is too small for a 4.6 when I worked at Roush we were bolting M90s to 4.6 3 valves and gaining 120 hp and about the same or a little more torque. This is something you can look up on the internet for verification. Just because it won't boost 12 psi doesn't mean that its too small. I would think I can get 8 psi and be verry happy.
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Q: Did you fabricate your own M90 => 5.0 lower intake?

Also, from what I've read, lots of folks seem to believe that the M90 is undersized for a 302.
Is this just a case of "its hard to beat cheap" or do you think their concerns are just a bunch of hooey?

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Its a prototype engine built by Ford .. not some do it yourself hack job, I have spare parts lying around.
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Its a prototype engine built by Ford .. not some do it yourself hack job, I have spare parts lying around.
You have spare parts for my motor and blower setup ? We may have to talk

Nevermind. I misread the first time.
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I would think I can get 8 psi and be verry happy.
Not only is 8psi nothing to sneeze at, if you can drop the ACTs down within a few degrees of ambient, those 8psi could possibly translate into "12psi's" worth of non-intercooled actual airflow. After all, it's all really about airflow when it comes to making power. Use an ice-water-to-air intercooler, and any tiny supercharger can move some hefty amounts of air mass.
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MP is now providing Gen 5~6 abradive rotor pack coating improving effeciency, lowering temps. Should have this delivered in a week or two.

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MP is now providing Gen 5~6 abradive rotor pack coating improving effeciency, lowering temps. Should have this delivered in a week or two.
yup, there's always lots of little things that can improve efficiency that will show up at the rear wheels. It's just no one [few] bothered to pay attention in physics class in high school/college. I'm sure ceramic bearings for the high rotational speeds (> 12,000 rotor RPM using a 1:2 gear-up ratio and a 6k engine redline) of the rotors could free up a few HP here and there. If it takes even 5 less HP to spin the rotors, it ends up at the wheels. Superfinish the rotor gears, another couple HP there.
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yup, there's always lots of little things that can improve efficiency that will show up at the rear wheels. It's just no one [few] bothered to pay attention in physics class in high school/college. I'm sure ceramic bearings for the high rotational speeds (> 12,000 rotor RPM using a 1:2 gear-up ratio and a 6k engine redline) of the rotors could free up a few HP here and there. If it takes even 5 less HP to spin the rotors, it ends up at the wheels. Superfinish the rotor gears, another couple HP there.
You are a wealth of information when it comes to anything with numbers and physics. I see why you are a math teacher.
There are alot of things that I would love to do to this thing but I need to take it one step at a time. Right now I'm just focusing on getting it in the car and drivinig down the road. Even if its not as efficient as it can be it will be a big step up from the SC
V-6. For right now i will put a Meth Inj kit on it and get it tuned.

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I do have to say the roush 4.6 is going to be fun having some thing like that in a thunderbird or cougar it would make every one look twice. Once seeing the smiling look that is being seen. The second is looking at the car.
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Nothing big happened today just bolted up the Mark VIII PS pump to retain the EVO sensor. I was gonna just put the sensor on the cobra pump but no luck. They are different pumps, so the Mark VIII pump got the Cobra pulley and DONE.

Removed the high pressure line and return line to install the SS Braided lines.

Flipped the motor upside down and removed the pan just to inspect a little. This motor has been sitting for a long time so I wanted to see the cylinder walls and look for any kind of moisture damage. There was none. The inside of this motor looks brand new. There is hardly any witness marks in the cylinders to indicate piston travel.

I think this motor is gonna be sittin in the car very soon. Im gettin antsy but dont wanna skip a step.

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Flipped the motor upside down and removed the pan just to inspect a little. This motor has been sitting for a long time so I wanted to see the cylinder walls and look for any kind of moisture damage. There was none. The inside of this motor looks brand new. There is hardly any witness marks in the cylinders to indicate piston travel.
This is very encouraging information, I've had a newly rebuilt 3.8 SC engine sitting inside and outside for the past four years. Its sealed (tape over exhaust ports) but I was concerned about rust forming inside and no way to address cleaning prior to install/start up.

Is there any type of additive I could use on start up besides just dumping the first oil change at early miles/hours?

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Glad to see another local member doing these swaps! you are so close! i live north of you by the end of M5 and go to ford livonia for work all the time!!!!! id love to see the car soon!

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Yeah, I am just down the road. I would love to check this out.

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This is very encouraging information, I've had a newly rebuilt 3.8 SC engine sitting inside and outside for the past four years. Its sealed (tape over exhaust ports) but I was concerned about rust forming inside and no way to address cleaning prior to install/start up.

Is there any type of additive I could use on start up besides just dumping the first oil change at early miles/hours?
On the 3.8 i would try priming the oil pump. I dont know of any additive, other than disassembly and putting assy grease on everything.

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Glad to see another local member doing these swaps! you are so close! i live north of you by the end of M5 and go to ford livonia for work all the time!!!!! id love to see the car soon!
I work at the Livonia Trans Plant on Plymouth Rd. When ur down this way PM me and i can show you.

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Yeah, I am just down the road. I would love to check this out.
PM me whenever, I work afternoons tho. Right now it just looks like a SC with no engine, and the garage im workin in is kinda tight. Someday ill be able to afford a huge garage and a lift. I have made extra effort to make it look all factory.

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LOL i go to ATNPC all the time...i actually was there yesterday! Ford is our customer, i work with external trans controls! im there at least once a week!

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LOL i go to ATNPC all the time...i actually was there yesterday! Ford is our customer, i work with external trans controls! im there at least once a week!
Well technically I work in the ATNPC building. Most people dont know what that is so I say the plant. I work in RWD developement garage. I work afternoons so i dont get in until 2 but if your here ask for me someone will find me.

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That's C156. in 1994 it was a square connector and from 95-97 it was changed to a round connector. The circuits are all the same, you just need to splice a matching pigtail onto either the headlight harness or EEC harness

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More boring stuff today. Just wired in my OBD II DLC connector, the SC did not have EEC V it was EEC IV with the DLC connector under the hood. Having to include this in my adapter harness for the EEC harness to the Dash harness made it kinda ugly but it all functions as it should as far as i can tell at this point.

Got the battery harness to starter installed but cant route it correctly until the motor is in. Had to change a couple connectors to match the bird harness but for the most part an easy install. The positive battery cable clamp does not fit the way i would have liked it but its not bad. I guess a Cobra harness wasn't made for a thunderbird. Hooked it to the distribution box and gave it a key on. The fuel pump cycles so i guess thats a good sign.

Hoping to have the engine sitting in the compartment this weekend.

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That's C156. in 1994 it was a square connector and from 95-97 it was changed to a round connector. The circuits are all the same, you just need to splice a matching pigtail onto either the headlight harness or EEC harness
I already made an adapter harness from a donor at the junkyard. Here's my question. There are 2 circuits on the 94 square connector that are not on the round connector. One is a circuit 57 which is grnd so I tied it into the other circuit 57. The one that confuses me is the extra circuit 361 I think it is. Its a red wire which in the 94 it supplies key on power to the pcm relay to close the circuit. I am not sure if the CCRM in the 96 needs this or if it gets it from one of the other circuits. I think I got it figured but I really wanna hear an experts opinion. Thanks in advance.
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