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post #1 of 10 (permalink) Old 05-08-2013, 02:57 PM Thread Starter
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Air filter to work with Cobra R hood?

I'm looking to increase the air flow on my '95 NPI 4.6L T-Bird. I have the Cobra R hood, with the two front induction slots. I found a K&N filter off of a Corvette that looks to be perfect. I would like to move the MAF and air sensor (? From stock filter box) up to the throttle body and put the filter in front. The MAF would come right before the TB and the sensor would be installed in the neck of the filter. I also have cut out rubber inserts for the induction slots for rainy days. Would this work? Sorry I couldn't post pics. Below is a link to the filter.

http://www.knfilters.com/mobile/mPro...?&prod=rp-5135

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I'm not sure that this is going to do much for you other than make more noise and suck $137 out of your wallet.

Q: Is your air filter really the point of restriction in your car? Have you hooked up a vacuum gauge to your manifold to confirm if this is true?
Q: That air filter seems like its going to suck air from all directions and not just from your fender well. If anything, this will mean higher intake air temps (and less powah) than from your stock air filter position.

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Even with the filter placed in the air channel under the hood/above the engine? That would eliminate the intake tube and provide straight cool air flow.

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I would like to move the MAF and air sensor (? From stock filter box) up to the throttle body and put the filter in front. The MAF would come right before the TB and the sensor would be installed in the neck of the filter.

Very bad idea. The MAF is calibrated to have a certain amount of pipe between it and the throttle body .. this would not be a good modification.
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Even with the filter placed in the air channel under the hood/above the engine? That would eliminate the intake tube and provide straight cool air flow.
It's not laminar flow. If I understand how that fat mushroom will be oriented in your planned position, the air is not coming in across the hood and into the filter directly b/c there's a cap at the top of the filter. Instead, the air will be going across the hood, through the nostril hole in your hood, and then is sucked at a 90 degree angle into the air filter (comes in on the sides). The air could just as easily come from the sides and down from the hot engine since as you well know -- heat rises.

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One thought I had to get cooler air was to flip my airbox upside down, cut a hole in my hood, and put a small scoop on the hood to direct air downwards and get the ram air effect.
- It would have looked hideous but who cares? It's a $500 car.
- The only thing that stopped me was that I never found a suitably hideous looking (and cheap scoop). I probably wasn't looking hard enough at home depot.

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- The only thing that stopped me was that I never found a suitably hideous looking (and cheap scoop). I probably wasn't looking hard enough at home depot.

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A 'bullet' trash can lid, the spring loaded door type; with the spring loaded door removed.

That's pretty hideous, IMHO.


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A 'bullet' trash can lid, the spring loaded door type; with the spring loaded door removed.

That's pretty hideous, IMHO.


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Since my other drivers (the short ones) were complaining that they couldn't see over the 4" (at the highest point) DIY cowl hood on some of the turns @ Sears Point (road goes up and then takes a sharp right), I think that might go away... and the hood scoop might make a comeback.
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very bad idea like everyone has said.

the intake is not the bottle neck in your engine---it's the intake manifold and cylinder heads. <----read that about 100x until it sinks in.

But then again, if you know sooooo much and your mind is already set, let's see the darn thing happen.
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Very bad idea. The MAF is calibrated to have a certain amount of pipe between it and the throttle body .. this would not be a good modification.
Thank you very much. Your answer was all I needed. I'm 19 and a firefighter and don't spend all my free time on cars. So I appreciate your straight forward, non sarcastic answer to help a curious member.

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Question asked. Question answered. Answer accepted.

I don't see any reason for this thread to drag on.

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