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My Trick Flow Headed NPI motor

As some of you may know, I will be putting/having a set of brand new 38cc Trick Flow heads installed on my NPI short block sometime when Robert and I have the time and after he recieves the merchandise. My calculated compression ratio comes out to 11.2:1. This will be done on my mostly original 160k mile NPI motor. I'll of course be running 93 on the street and E85 when I want to go fast/ keep things clean. I predict that I will put down at least 250 rwhp, if not more. This ought to make this thing pretty fun. Since I've realized how much money is involved, I reealize I should have saved the money and had this done sooner, especially since I now know what E85 can do. This should be pretty fun, I'm really excited. Maybe this slug will get faster. lol

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Boooo. I thought we were gonna see pics lol
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Interesting approach. Yea, It'll be fun for sure. Ian needs to get his act together to even attempt to keep up with you. Otherwise you're going to blow him away.

Has he made any plans to get those heads he bought off of me put on his car yet?

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Interesting approach. Yea, It'll be fun for sure. Ian needs to get his act together to even attempt to keep up with you. Otherwise you're going to blow him away.

Has he made any plans to get those heads he bought off of me put on his car yet?
I don't think he's said anything yet, at least not to me.

GM, there will be pics. I'm just making the thread because I'm so stoked!

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Interesting approach. Yea, It'll be fun for sure. Ian needs to get his act together to even attempt to keep up with you. Otherwise you're going to blow him away.

Has he made any plans to get those heads he bought off of me put on his car yet?
There is no real rivalry between Mike and I, if he's faster than me I'm happy for him. I do have plans for my ride, but I'm taking my time and going step by step, still mapping out how I want to work my build, and finances. Plus there are other aspects of the car that take precedence such as my new upper shock mounts, new passenger motor mount, and a new airbag module, which puts go fast goodies on hold until the car is good to go mechanically.



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Your only thinking 250rwhp with 38cc trick flow heads? I was thinking more than that especially with e85. Either way tho it will be a great upgrade.

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What headers/manifolds? This is a combo I really want to see the results of.
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Unless he changes I'm pretty sure stock manifolds with pi cams, I'm sure it will make near 300 rwhp

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Unless he changes I'm pretty sure stock manifolds with pi cams, I'm sure it will make near 300 rwhp
Yup, I can only afford to do so much at once. After this, exhaust will come. Just gotta make the money again so I can do it.

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Your only thinking 250rwhp with 38cc trick flow heads? I was thinking more than that especially with e85. Either way tho it will be a great upgrade.
I didn't want to be too optimistic. If Rob says close to 300 rwhp, I'll take it. It's going to be a night and day difference.

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I'm thinking 250-260rwhp because the intake and exhaust will hold you back somewhat. Time to crunch some numbers...
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300 with the stock PI cams, stock PI intake, and stock MN12 exhaust manifolds? Maybe at the crankshaft..........I have seen enough TFS combos come together to know they don't add much over a well ported PI head unless its a big bore and/or going over 7000 RPM (there are plenty to say they add zero but I won't go there.......) Make sure you degree in the PI cams as one side will be retarded ~6 and one advanced ~6 with the TFS cam tunnel relocation.

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I'm thinking 250-260 rwhp because the intake and exhaust will hold you back somewhat. Time to crunch some numbers...

This is my thinking, fixing the middle of the cork still doesn't fix the ends of the cork.

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Sorry, TFS 38cc FTW!!!!With the heads off put on Kooks headers.

Dont wait.

You will not be dissapointed.

I'm removing the cork on mine as we speak.

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Sorry, TFS 38cc FTW!!!!With the heads off put on Kooks headers.

Dont wait.

You will not be dissapointed.

I'm removing the cork on mine as we speak.
Can't afford to...unless you want to pay me. lol

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Honestly for $2K of TFS heads I would instead spend $1K on a set of PI heads and $1K on a set of Kooks. The Kooks are where its at to get some NA love on this chassis IMHO. It will be interesting to see what it does, I can't think of anyone that has done TFS heads with stock PI cams before much less stock exhaust manifolds.
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That can come later. Money has already left my hands. I'll be happy with 300 crank hp. It'll get me into the 13's.

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Honestly for $2K of TFS heads I would instead spend $1K on a set of PI heads and $1K on a set of Kooks. The Kooks are where its at to get some NA love on this chassis IMHO. It will be interesting to see what it does, I can't think of anyone that has done TFS heads with stock PI cams before much less stock exhaust manifolds.
You got that right Nick. It was mentioned earlier that TF heads without headers, cams, forced induction, etc. to take advantage of the addl. flow is a waste of money and resources.

Now, if you plan to add all of that later of course it's just a first step in the process. However, to put the heads on and then go back and add the other parts later is a waste of time and energy IMHO.

You might as well do all of those things at once and be done with it instead of adding parts piece meal.

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That can come later. Money has already left my hands. I'll be happy with 300 crank hp. It'll get me into the 13's.
That's just about what I'm making now - with ported heads, less than half a point of compression less than your setup, cams two steps above PI cams and ported exhaust manifolds. If you can pull it off with PI cams and stock exhaust manifolds, that'd be awesome - but I think past a certain point the heads aren't the restriction and the exhaust manifolds are. You can't take advantage of great flow without a good cam, and you can't take advantage of a great cam without great flow. It's a vicious cycle. Don't get me wrong - I'm anxious to see what the combo does.

The more time goes by the more I wish I would have done headers of some sort...

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Honestly for $2K of TFS heads I would instead spend $1K on a set of PI heads and $1K on a set of Kooks. The Kooks are where its at to get some NA love on this chassis IMHO. It will be interesting to see what it does, I can't think of anyone that has done TFS heads with stock PI cams before much less stock exhaust manifolds.
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Maybe this slug will get faster. lol

It will. But to see maximum benefit, you need to wind out 3rd gear. Won't be able to do so with 3.73s added to the fact that your powerband will be shifted higher. You need to start thinking about shortening your rear gears to see maximum benefit. Of course it will "work" with less optimized parts, but why not get your money's worth

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I'm not looking for "the maximum benefit" right now, just an overall improvement. Either way, these heads will run circles around stock NPI heads. Plus, every new upgrade I eventually make will see good gains.

Hell, I'll just be happy to not burn a quart of oil every 650 miles. I'll take the extra efficiency offered by the higher compression ratio too.

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Well guys I've done pi head swapped cars that made 240 plus rwhp in a tbird on pi cams, I'm betting the car makes around 270-280rwhp

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I'm not looking for "the maximum benefit" right now, just an overall improvement. Either way, these heads will run circles around stock NPI heads. Plus, every new upgrade I eventually make will see good gains.

Hell, I'll just be happy to not burn a quart of oil every 650 miles. I'll take the extra efficiency offered by the higher compression ratio too.
LOL

I know what you mean about burning oil. I was so happy to get my PI swap done years ago and not have to add a quart every week or so due to the shot valve seals.

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Nick, check your PMs on the "other" forum, please

Not to be off topic but I only visit one other forum and I have no new messages there?

OP and Rob - do it up and dyno and track it for MPH, that will tell us what they are worth over PI swap combos. Will be interesting to see the results but I am not thinking its going to be that big of a difference. If you dial in the PI cams at 110 intake centerline I "think" that would help it more over the stock 114 and 115.

On another note, I might be the first to purposely install a set of NPI heads in a 2000 Mustang. I blew the motor in my vert and being a cheap bastard took all the ready to go dusty parts off the shelf. Ported NPI heads that were cosmetically too ugly to sell, cut down used SVO intake valves, ugly set of Comp 262AH, and a stock Mark bottom end. If I hit 280RWHP on the stingy dynos around here I will jump for joy.
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What would you guys expect from a pi intake and cams on an NPI engine, with a set of Preston's ported stock manifolds, and a 2.25" exhaust w/x-pipe and cheap, high flow mufflers?

Just curious; if I can get the cams in, this will be my DD setup...

Is Preston still doing manifolds and stuff on the side?



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What would you guys expect from a pi intake and cams on an NPI engine, with a set of Preston's ported stock manifolds, and a 2.25" exhaust w/x-pipe and cheap, high flow mufflers?

Just curious; if I can get the cams in, this will be my DD setup...

Is Preston still doing manifolds and stuff on the side?



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Not to be off topic but I only visit one other forum and I have no new messages there?

OP and Rob - do it up and dyno and track it for MPH, that will tell us what they are worth over PI swap combos. Will be interesting to see the results but I am not thinking its going to be that big of a difference. If you dial in the PI cams at 110 intake centerline I "think" that would help it more over the stock 114 and 115.

On another note, I might be the first to purposely install a set of NPI heads in a 2000 Mustang. I blew the motor in my vert and being a cheap bastard took all the ready to go dusty parts off the shelf. Ported NPI heads that were cosmetically too ugly to sell, cut down used SVO intake valves, ugly set of Comp 262AH, and a stock Mark bottom end. If I hit 280RWHP on the stingy dynos around here I will jump for joy.
that reminds me, did you solve all the issues that you were seeing with the SVO heads? I remember you were telling me about the valve stem height or something to that effect.

I had replied to a PM I had initially sent you titled "sharkskin, eh?". I'll resend just in case.
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Cure for the SVO is simply a set of Manley intake valves. They fit near perfect, much better than the stock ones. The stock SVO takeout intake valves are a good core to cut down to 1.79" to max out the stock NPI intake seat diameter. About 1hr on the lathe and they were all happy, the tip length after the face being cut down was perfect. The NPI heads for my max E85 attempt are going to use Manley 1.84" SVO intake valves with a welded chamber to make it 38cc, I don't think that has ever been done before. We are decking them 060 as well as that allows moving the mismatch at the bottom with the PI intake upwards and raise the roof the same amount in a place that really likes that.
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Nice. What kind of flow can you get of out SVOs now a days?
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As said before my buddy's 95 bird 130k here are the specs
Pi heads and pi cams and pi intake, on the stock npi bottom end, used a old Jerry chip with 80 mm maf with under drive pulleys, with stock manifolds and all 3 cats in place with dunno max cat back exhaust car made 242 rwhp sae numbers on a Dyno jet which I found out later reads low anyways it was over 300 rwtq and the car went 13.7 at 101 mph on a mark 8 tc so with a real converter it would have hauled,

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At least with the Trick Flows, they don't need to be ported to be on the level of ported PI cylinder heads. For right now, this will be a good starting point. The heads are brand new and never used. They can bolt right on and I won't have to take them to someone to be freshened up/ machined. The intake valve angle in relation to the piston is also better, I can run a bigger cam and not have to worry about cutting into the pistons any.

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