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Picked up this garaged hidden 97 4.6
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As I sold and ditched my 91 5.0 project form last year .
Wondering on a few recommended intial cheaper motor mods I can do too put some pep on the motor .. I'm not ready to do any major head work or cam mods etc.. probably next year ..just looking for plug in and bolt ons.
Was looking intitialy for under drive setup proprietary setup to the year. Cheaper deal then what super coupe performance pricing offers

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Love the color, same as my old 97 cougar..
97s seem to be considered the scragglers but i liked them best with the no abs and no Trac control and sport no leather or sunroof options..i also like that a sho 150mph speedo drops rite in..
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Love the color, same as my old 97 cougar..
97s seem to be considered the scragglers but i liked them best with the no abs and no Trac control and sport no leather or sunroof options..i also like that a sho 150mph speedo drops rite in..
Cool car man.
The supposed story behind the 97 brings the reason the mn12 was dropped off radar is because the guy who I got it from talked to someone from fords who knew the guy responsible for putting so much into the 97 and I guess the story goes they were suppose to be big sellers in 97 and after the 97 retail period was near over executives called them in a meeting and they almost lost their jobs over this car .. Ford deemed it a hopless design and ended the mn12 probably due to unexpected loss in expected profits due to the design and everything that was put into the cars.
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The supposed story behind the 97 brings the reason the mn12 was dropped off radar is because the guy who I got it from talked to someone from fords who knew the guy responsible for putting so much into the 97 and I guess the story goes they were suppose to be big sellers in 97 and after the 97 retail period was near over executives called them in a meeting and they almost lost their jobs over this car .. Ford deemed it a hopless design and ended the mn12 probably due to unexpected loss in expected profits due to the design and everything that was put into the cars.
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Paint looks great on that. As for mods, brakes maybe?
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Start with pi intake,75mm tbody and plenum, fenderwell cai some sort of tuner
Full tune up, 02 sensors,plugs,wires,fluids,mafs cleaning ect..
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Start with pi intake,75mm tbody and plenum, fenderwell cai some sort of tuner
Full tune up, 02 sensors,plugs,wires,fluids,mafs cleaning ect..
Would This plenum work supports 75mm body.
Wasn't sure about proprietary fitment with certain types years 4.6l motors
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Forge his advice and just get the PI intake, PI cams, and a OEM 02-04 Intake/MAF/Airbox combo and a matching tune, and perform the J-mod and add a cooler to the transmission. The blingy bolt on junk is just that.

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Forge his advice and just get the PI intake, PI cams, and a OEM 02-04 Intake/MAF/Airbox combo and a matching tune, and perform the J-mod and add a cooler to the transmission. The blingy bolt on junk is just that.
He doesn't want to dig into it yet, just bolt ons..
And the 75mm setup on a pi intake on the dyno gave a 8hp increase or something like that over the stock tbody and plenum..
I know I know it's not much but half the fun is making it yours..
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No it doesn't, it's a waste of money and you can get the cams for significantly less cash with real gains and without the skewed biased dyno results every shiester hocking intake tract "upgrades" uses. Doing the cams isn't rocket science, if you can do the manifold you can do them, just align the dots, easy as pie.

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No it doesn't, it's a waste of money and you can get the cams for significantly less cash with real gains and without the skewed biased dyno results every shiester hocking intake tract "upgrades" uses. Doing the cams isn't rocket science, if you can do the manifold you can do them, just align the dots, easy as pie.

And when you're driving a modified 21 year old personal luxury coupe, it's yours, you're not going to come across another one, so don't worry about pointless making it yours merit points.
The pi cam swap was simple, did the screw driver trick to hold timing chain .
Also and why not a 75mm???? It always woke up my cars and I like instant throttle response..lol adjusting the cable won't have the same effect as a tbody and plenum and intake upgrade..
If he did a pi intake,75mm,intake and a tuner his car would feel night and day,with most gains and feel coming from the tuner..
But xr7 is correct, a full pi swap is the best bang for the buck.
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When the throttle isn't a restriction, which it isn't, throttle response via a bigger blade is a function of leverage, not air flow. So yes, a cable mod would do the same thing, but no, I wasn't suggesting that since it's stupid - there's no benefit to making an accelerator pedal behave more like an on-off switch.

I couldn't sit through the full video from 'ol nervous voice but from what I did see I found it pretty humorous he has every intake tract upgrade from filter to manifold, yet is using a shitty aftermarket Dorman manifold itself. Oops. Luckily he vroom vrooms around the neighborhood and proclaims it totally worth it at the end!

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When the throttle isn't a restriction, which it isn't, throttle response via a bigger blade is a function of leverage, not air flow. So yes, a cable mod would do the same thing, but no, I wasn't suggesting that since it's stupid - there's no benefit to making an accelerator pedal behave more like an on-off switch.

I couldn't sit through the full video from 'ol nervous voice but from what I did see I found it pretty humorous he has every intake tract upgrade from filter to manifold, yet is using a shitty aftermarket Dorman manifold itself. Oops. Luckily he vroom vrooms around the neighborhood and proclaims it totally worth it at the end!
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To get back on track, congrats OP on the new purchase! That paint looks really nice.

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That paint looks great. Mine is the same color and It's not even close to that dark and reflective, very impressive. Laser red fades badly so seeing one that nice is surprising. Take care of that thing, not many left in that condition.

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That paint looks great. Mine is the same color and It's not even close to that dark and reflective, very impressive. Laser red fades badly so seeing one that nice is surprising. Take care of that thing, not many left in that condition.

I waited six months on my nerves to get the car as the owner of 19 years was out of state for some time which was a much older Ford type of fella.. Whats even harder to fathom is that it is a 21yr Michigan car that I knew was probably cleaner then most of the cleanest Tennessee birds floatin around... Says a lot about the relentless care taking its been given.

I may very well have the 2nd cleanest 97 around this state for all i know But I got to give "Mike B"
on here the 1st place spot as I've seen his 97 and polished it for him during some parts swapping immaculate condition.
not sure but I'll be at some gatherings to compare this summer.

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I'm surprised that noone has mentioned getting shorter gears for the rear end. Best bang for the buck option out there.
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I'm surprised that noone has mentioned getting shorter gears for the rear end. Best bang for the buck option out there.
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I ran 205-55/15 tires for a set; you could really tell the difference with the rear end ratio.

It drove strange from the speedo, tho; I couldn't get a gear to make it right.

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I ran 205-55/15 tires for a set; you could really tell the difference with the rear end ratio.

It drove strange from the speedo, tho; I couldn't get a gear to make it right.
I'm surprised you did this with a street car; even with the 2" drop these tiny tires made it look like a clown car.

I've run 205-50R15 tires for my lemons tbird for our first 3-4 races. I found (using a smartphone based test app) that my quarter mile times (on the onramp to a highway) dropped from 17.9sec to 17sec
Combined with our 3.73 rear gears, the cars tiny tires made the effective rear end ratio something like 4.3:1

the only reason we started upgrading was that with the V8, we could get the car sideways by giving it full throttle in the first 3 gears. That made it a bit scary. The solution was to suck it up and get into 16" (and now 17") wheels.


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It DID look like a Clown car, lol.

There was at least a 4" gap.

They were also heavily underrated for the weight rating, which wore them out in ~3 months.

Fun to try, but get gears, it will be a lot better than cheesy tiny tires.

I will say the short sidewalls were stiff, they were BFG Sport Comp tires that aren't made anymore.

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I ran 205-55/15 tires for a set; you could really tell the difference with the rear end ratio.

Lmao, I cut my best times ever on some 195 60 15 with chrome aftermarket 80s wheels you would see on a ranger. No wheel hop at all.

Btw, I love that red 97. Looks new! Mine looks pretty dang rough. I would drive the fuck out of it!

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My buddies modded 97 cougar non sport picked up exactly 0 in the 1/4 mile when he switched to 410s and just killed it on the highway..lol
If it's a non sport I say ya,373s and a Jmod is a good starter mod but if it has 327s imo I think they are a great gear for a bolt on mn12
And since it's non leather a set of black leather sc seats or xr7 seats would really look nice in there.
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My buddies modded 97 cougar non sport picked up exactly 0 in the 1/4 mile when he switched to 410s and just killed it on the highway..lol
If it's a non sport I say ya,373s and a Jmod is a good starter mod but if it has 327s imo I think they are a great gear for a bolt on mn12
And since it's non leather a set of black leather sc seats or xr7 seats would really look nice in there.

Black seating ??? With all gray interior ehh.. Not sure about that.
I just attempted black swap when I redid...my entire 06 Colorado carpet seats and headliner and half way through I wasn't happy with gray dash and door panels and black carpeting so I redid it all in original medium gray .

If aything I'll do the leather conversion kit from scp and sc rear seat fold down modification
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My buddies modded 97 cougar non sport picked up exactly 0 in the 1/4 mile when he switched to 410s and just killed it on the highway..lol
If it's a non sport I say ya,373s and a Jmod is a good starter mod but if it has 327s imo I think they are a great gear for a bolt on mn12
And since it's non leather a set of black leather sc seats or xr7 seats would really look nice in there.
Did your buddy have an ECU tune?
I suspect with the 410s, the car was shifting early as the tune wasn't adjusted to take advantage of the new gearing.

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My buddies modded 97 cougar non sport picked up exactly 0 in the 1/4 mile when he switched to 410s and just killed it on the highway..lol
If it's a non sport I say ya,373s and a Jmod is a good starter mod but if it has 327s imo I think they are a great gear for a bolt on mn12
And since it's non leather a set of black leather sc seats or xr7 seats would really look nice in there.
Did your buddy have an ECU tune?
I suspect with the 410s, the car was shifting early as the tune wasn't adjusted to take advantage of the new gearing.
Yes..
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My buddies modded 97 cougar non sport picked up exactly 0 in the 1/4 mile when he switched to 410s and just killed it on the highway..lol
If it's a non sport I say ya,373s and a Jmod is a good starter mod but if it has 327s imo I think they are a great gear for a bolt on mn12
And since it's non leather a set of black leather sc seats or xr7 seats would really look nice in there.

Black seating ??? With all gray interior ehh.. Not sure about that.
I just attempted black swap when I redid...my entire 06 Colorado carpet seats and headliner and half way through I wasn't happy with gray dash and door panels and black carpeting so I redid it all in original medium gray .

If aything I'll do the leather conversion kit from scp and sc rear seat fold down modification
My cougar had gray and I just painted the dash bezzel and door inserts and it looked amazing with the seats..although the seats were more of a charcoal not black but black would have looked nicer ..just my opinion
It too was a 97 .
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I love the look of black seats in the grey car. It matches the wheel and console and breaks up the sea of grey. I have some 93 mark seats in mine, but Just picked up some 08 v6 mustang black leather fronts to swap in later. Can't wait to see More of this car!

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