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Post My review on cut of mufflers - 96/97 4.6's

I finally decided to go for it and hack the mufflers off of my 96 4.6L. After calling a few shops and got quoted 40 bux a side, I decided to do it my self. Went up to AAP and got some 18" 2 1/8 piping (2), clamps (2), and some 6 x 2 1/2 chrome tips (2). Came up to $24. Went to the garage and got the hack saw. Sawed for about 45 minutes (very tiring). Started the car up with both muffs cut off and reved a little bit, sounded pretty mean! Took it around the block and there was to much drone to even concentrate...lol. Started tinkering with the parts and after an hour went by, I finally had it complete. Looks okay except for the fact that from some angle you can see that they are just some screw on tips.

Started it up and was pretty happy with the sound so far, sounded like a beast and a V8 for once! It brought a smile to my face . Took it for a ride and that's when some of the disapointments started to occur. The biggest being the ricy sound the exhuast makes!! Yuk...! It only sounds ricy from like 1800 - 2800 rpms. Below 1800 it sounds nice and beasty and above 2800 you hear the engine pulling and intake with an nice exhaust tone. But that rpm range just so hppens to be used the most... so you get the point.

It seems to sound much better outside the car than inside, so I had my mom drive my car and I followed with her car. It sounds O.K., but still had that bit of riceyness. Not nearly as noticable as inside the car though. I then had her drive down the street while I listened from the porch. Didn't sound to bad once again. So all in all it is an okay mod if you can put up with that bit of riceyness. Me personally am annoyed by it and will soon proceed with a nice custom exhuast when I get some extra cash. Hopefully within the next month. I will probably just got with the Seabass setup.

You also get alot more stares and people ask what kind of exhuast you got and stuff, you just get to smile and say stock with a slight modifacation. Most of my friends think it sounds good except one, he said it sounded better before. I was just like HOW, there wasn't even sound before...lol. He said "exactly". I just said "your weird"...lol.

"I" noticed a slight increase at higher rpms and did not notice any torque loss. Seems to pull a tad more on the highway. I floored it on the on ramp that I take eveyday to work and where I was usually at about 70 I was at about 75 now.

So if you have been thinking about hacking your muffs lately, hope I helped your decision some!

Now I have a few questions:

- Do you think I will pass the E Check?

- If I put some larger diameter tips on (like 3in.), would it sound any better ? less riceyness?

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The larger the tips, the more ricey it will sound. Emissions should not be a problem. you didn't touch anything before the cats or the cats, so your emissions should remain the same.




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The larger the tips, the more ricey it will sound. Emissions should not be a problem. you didn't touch anything before the cats or the cats, so your emissions should remain the same.
I noticed the opposite on my tips. I started with 2.25" and it did sound rather ricey and high-pitched. Upped it to 3.25"x22" and it's a much deeper mellow sound now. It's still a tad rice-like sometimes, but it's a lot better than the smaller pipes. That's jusy my observation. Also, you'll get bad resonance if your tips don't extend past your bumper it'd seem.

Here's a short clip of my exhaust. I know I'm a 94, but I can't imagine it being too different.
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that mpg sounded awesome!! i wanna go hack the damn thing up right now. where did ya get the long tips?
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I noticed the same thing. The 3" tips made it sound deeper than my old 2.5" ones. If you want to get rid of a lot of the ricey sound, just install a race bullet muffler after the 3rd cat, and it makes it sound a lot better. It's still just as loud, but it sounds a lot better.

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So maybe I will grap some 3in diameter tips for now. I will definatly be getting an exhuast soon though. And by passing the E-Check, I am just worried it would be to loud....



You can get the long tips from Summit and a couple of places on the net. Kinda pricey though!

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What size muffler fits behind the 3rd cat? (pipe size and length that is)
Also, what muffler is gonna get rid of that droning???

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I have 3.5x24" ss magnaflow tips... looks alil large but not hardly. I dont find it to sound a bit ricey at any rpm range... and i constantly go through it... the size and the length help with the sound. Only time i have alil drone is cruising between 60-65. I lost .3 of my 1/4 after removing the mufflers. If you want pics of the install... let me know ill put them up again.

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I think it was 2 1/4 in/out, 14" long bullet. My other alternative was that Midas has 12" glasspacks in the back that they can expand to fit. I think they cost $25 and the bullet was $50. I didn't notice much of a difference in the sound between the 2 though. Try to find longer tips than 18" as well, Mine are 18, and you can see where they mate up with the pipe. I think 24" would be better, because you would only be able to see the stainless, like on a 'stang. IMO 3.5" tips look too big for the car, 3" looks like it should have come from the factory that way.

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i have 2inch all throught rite after my resonator....it does sound ricey just like tony described...im friguring ill put somthing in place of the resonator like a muffler or somthing to make the car sound more agresive....3inch tips would make the tone deeper? kind of makes sense....the sound clip sounds so much better then my car so im thinkin of puting on the 3inch wide tips i have

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So maybe I will grap some 3in diameter tips for now. I will definatly be getting an exhuast soon though. And by passing the E-Check, I am just worried it would be to loud....



You can get the long tips from Summit and a couple of places on the net. Kinda pricey though!

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yea $40 a pop is pricey......got my 3"x22" chrome straight pipes (angle cut) for $22 a piece locally.....gonna try to get them on as soon as possible
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hey if i put hi-flow cats on my 96 with an x-pipe and flowmasters at the rear do you think i should have any problem passing emmisions??

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prolly not if u do the computer right.......cuase 96 on up they dont even put it on the machine they just hook it up to the comp

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I have 20 inch long 3 inch diameter tips in place of my mufflers and I like it and decided to just leave it as it is now. I was going to replace the resanator with a flow master 40, but I like how it sounds now.

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-air silencer removed
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has anyone ever tried just one flow 40 as oposed to two of them?

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yes. i have one 40 series delta flowmaster in place of the resonator. all my cats are gutted and i have 2.5" pipes where the old mufflers used to be. i personally think it sounds pretty good, but maybe a little on the quiet side. but then again, im just some punk kid who thinks it's never too loud. i drove around for a while with my exhaust hacked off right behind the first two cats...and they were gutted. talk about loud. majorly badass. my friend who doesnt like ford and loves chevys thought it sounded so much better than our friend's corvette with a delta flowmaster catback. but obviously i wouldnt recommend this.
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i put 3 inch tips on and they do echo the sound a bit and make it a little diffrent but im goin to cut my resonator soon enought to find out how loud that is.....the exahsut now sounds bad that i have.....it has 2 inch pipe in place of the muflers with 3 inch tips that go about 18 inches

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A little update on what I did!

Got sick of the ricey sound so I experimented....

I took off the 18 x 2 1/8th extensions and just put some chrome 2.5in turndowns right where I cut off the mufflers. They are kinda angled outward like this: / \ , right at the cuts. You cannot see them at all whenever you look at the rear end of the car. All the ricey sound is actually gone now! Of course there is a bit more drone, but I'd rather suffer from that then the ricey tone. The drone isn't all that bad actually with the turndowns on. Nothing the STOCK CD player can't cancel out!

I will still be getting a nice exhaust soon though.... nothing beats the sound of a 4.6 with a flowmaster! ....hehe

This is what I am going to print out and take tho the exhaust shop, It's seabass' setup with a little more detail in the drawing. Probably will have them use 2.5in piping. But it should sound good!




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i just 3"straight pipe mod to my Cougar.....sounds much better than stock, and yea there is that tad bit of riceyness , but it's nothing that would seriously embarrass the car, so i can put up with it for a while

maybe i'll try that 40 Series 2-chamber Flow master after the 3rd cat to deepen the sound, as well

over all, a decent mod to get better-than stock sound
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anyone know where is the cheapest that they have found that 40 series 2-chamber flowmaster for?

also should i get the one with 2-1/4" center inlet/outlet?
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I got the 18x3 on my car. I think it sounds great. My only problem.....lowered car with 3 inch tips...not a good combo when it comes to some driveways and curbs. I just bent one of my tips up the other day.

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I just had a mufflar shop install Flowmaster stainless steel delta-flow 40 series muflars on my 94 4.6 and it sounds kinda quiet... I'm a little disapointed but thats what I git for buying delta flowss. plus they are biger mufflars than my stock ones so it looks alittle goffy...I'll post a picture on here tommorow
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I just had a mufflar shop install Flowmaster stainless steel delta-flow 40 series muflars on my 94 4.6 and it sounds kinda quiet... I'm a little disapointed but thats what I git for buying delta flowss. plus they are biger mufflars than my stock ones so it looks alittle goffy...I'll post a picture on here tommorow
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You also get alot more stares and people ask what kind of exhuast you got and stuff, you just get to smile and say stock with a slight modifacation.
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Yeah, you need a 1-chamber flowmaster. A 2-Chamber flowmaster is better for Chevy Silverado's or Corvette's
got sound clips?........i know i'll be getting a flowmaster, but now i don't know which one.....i know that with my 3" straight tips, its not as loud as i wanted/thought it was gonna be...
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Here's a short clip of my exhaust. I know I'm a 94, but I can't imagine it being too different.
http://members.tccoa.com/rowboat/joeexhaust3.mpg
I always thought it was bad to rev the engine while it was in park. Why do I think this? Exhaust sounds veddy veddy good by the way.

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Here's a short clip of my exhaust. I know I'm a 94, but I can't imagine it being too different.
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Its quite a bit different. mine is a LOT louder than yours. Im workin on getting a clip of it now..
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cut off mufflers, 3.5" x 18" tips. I think mine sounds pretty ricey. It sounds really good at 1300-1400rpm..but thats about it. And its really really loud.

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Im having it redone hopefully within a couple weeks....i like how loud mine is now..just need to be more controlled. should i keep cats?

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