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OBX Headers, anyone?

Has anybody dealt with this company? If I see this right, $250 for headers for our cars is pretty cheap but I'm not sure of the quality.

http://www.obxracingperformance.com/...tml/icOid/1063

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OBX racing? check out the email address....ssautochrome.com on ebay these headers are sold by "ssautochrome" under Stone Mountain Racing. i have a feeling these are actaully JBA casting or the headers themselves. go over to mtcforum.com and ask them thier thoughts on JBA headers. i say save a little more and get a set of real headers read Kooks. if it is this cheap, i have a feeling it is too good to be true.

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I agree on not really liking the JBAs because of the stories of them cracking. But my friend has them and they seem ok. Also the Kooks ones seem to be real cool and are more of mid length headers then shorties. The thing you have to remember and add to the price of $700 is that you will need custom downtubes with the Kooks too. I personally will save up for the Kooks when I am ready to do that.

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Some strings on this earlier,
searching "headers" in this forum brings reams of discussions.

Looks like Phillippe was not too thrilled with them:
http://forums.tccoa.com/showthread.p...threadid=14788

But they are cheap; around $150 on ebay.

And, not to be argumentative, but,
i don't unnerstan' people being concerned,
that kooks midlengths don't fit stock downtubes?

Surely anyone that should even consider Kooks headers
has long ago done away with the tiny stock downtubes
and hideously restrictive cats, and all the rest.

I can't imagine hooking $700 headers to a $.10 exhaust.

So, presuming you already have a decent exhaust,
and can drop the coins for the kooks,
whats a pair of new downtube elbows? $30-$40 ?

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As Per Phil.. I am going to stay away from them. I Think I'll just spend the extra money and go for the Kooks. As far as the downtubes, I'm having a true dual custom made, so that's not an issue, however, I am going to run some Hi-Flow cats to meet the emmision requirements around here. So, This leads into my next question.. x-pipe vs H-Pipe.. Comments, suggestions? (I'm gonna run a search too.)

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I'm no expert here,
but my understanding is tha h-pipes were pioneered
by Mopar racers back in the 70's; It was found that
balancing the flow between the downtubes on true
duals with headers increased power across the
band, especially on top. Then in the 80's,
it was discovered that if the downpipes meet
at more of a parallel angle, the balancing /scavenging
is more effective, so the x-pipe became preferred.
They also mellow the tone of duals.

Now on the SC's, most people still use a 2-into-1 resonator,
[though a lot bigger than stock] and a 3" mid-pipe
back to the back of the gas tank,
then "y"d again to dual mufflers.
This is kind of the ultimate x-pipe, IMHO,
running through a Big single pipe for 3-4 feet.

It sure mellows the V6 buzz,
and though a V8 will always sound better anyway,
i think this would be great, if you like a quiet, but
free-flowing exhaust.

The down side is, it's heavy,
and buying 3 mufflers can get expensive,
depending on your choice of mufflers.

Check out the exhaust on SCP;
http://www.supercoupeperformance.com/
it's expensive, but can be more-or-less copied
by your local exhaust shop for a lot less.

If cost is no object, the ART system is gorgeous in stainless,
and sounds great, too.
But personally, I'd throw a 2-n-2 bassani resonator in it,
instead of the x-pipe, for a mellower tone.

Geez, look how i'm ranting on,
as if i don't need to get to work here.
Good luck with your exhaust.

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FYI.. My final setup will be a dss preped block, pnp PI heads AED Supercharger,NX wet kit (75-150 shot), followed by a Level 10 comped Tranny and 3.55 Track-lok rearend, so I'm not doing all of this exhaust work in vein. If I'm gonna do it, I might as well do it right the first time. I'm thinking Kooks Headers,2.5" piping, SC performance(or equivalent) High-Flow cats, x pipe (covered by my third cat's heatshield to fool the Minimum Wage Emmision Inspector), and I'm still out on if I want to muffle this badboy. All work will be custom by someone who I beleive is one of the best in the business around here (He built my cat-back that Slayer now has. It's an awesome no res/muffler setup for a 94 with no drone what so ever, but a great low tone). I figure if the ricers can get away with blasting peoples eardrums, I should be able to get away with a healthy V8 roar.


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I can vouch for the system he had. The tone is awesome. I had a 2.5" pipe that droned like crazy and was driving me mad, I didn't realize it was an aftermarket setup though... The new one that Thumper gave me has nice nice tone... And Thumper if I had to vote I would vote no mufflers...

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I bought those headers, they are from ssautochrome. They are exactly like the JBA's. I paid 180.00 for them on Ebay they were shipped the next day and I got them in 5 days. I'm going to install them Friday. From what I understand they are making these headers, they are replicas of the JBA's but I could be wrong. It's not too good to be true they sell headers for alot of cars, and what I got was the same as what you would pay JBA for if that's what you want.
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Seabass.. PM me with your thoughts on Level 10 (Not into public trash talking)

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With regard to these headers...

I would not trust them. They look like a good replica of the early JBA offering for our cars. They could very well be surplus "version one" JBA headers that do not have the last 2 or 3 manufacturing upgrades. I'm on my third set of JBA headers - having just returned from their factory speedshop for a second warranty replacement of the passenger side header.

JBA has added a strengthening strut on the rear-most flange on the passenger side header to counteract the stress that that particular flange seems to encounter. Also - that is the shortest of the 4 pipes. Thermally speaking, it heats faster and cools faster, and is more prone to cracks at the welds. The 1st Gen JBA headers are guaranteed to crack on our cars. It's not an 'if', it's 'when'. The couple hundred bucks you may save today, will be paid out three-fold over the next couple years in labor, parts, and sheer aggravation. Re-welding them, and belt sanding them down will not help. Been there. The best thing going right now for our cars is JBA's ceramic-coated shorty. The ceramic makes a big difference in the range of heat fluctuation. It's more pricey, but it will save you alot of headaches. Header leaks are like a Chinese water torture. Just about the most annoying thing in the driving experience. Staying away from the E-bay bargain is truly the "ounce of prevention" in this case.

If you have any tech questions for JBA their number is: 858-495-3395. Ask for Ron Colvin or Dave.

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