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RichardM Tube---Opinion/Observations

Just thought I would pass along my opinions.

I received my Oval Style RichardM Tube last week and installed it yesterday. The installation took all of about 3 minutes and one flat tip screwdriver. The hardest part was putting the hose on the MAF, but it is just a good snug fit. My application is on a 94 4.6L T’Bird with removed silencer, stock air box and OEM filter, and custom exhaust.

Performance appears to have increased slightly. It feels as if the engine may be breathing better, but I have no proof of that statement, just my opinion (I’ll have to see if I get any increase in fuel economy). The fitment was perfect! The sound increased at certain rpm/loads, but decreased at other rpm/loads. (It is quieter at cruise ) I have a custom exhaust, so your results may differ.

If anyone has any doubts about the quality and/or workmanship of the tube, don’t, as the attention to detail is excellent. As an example: When Richard shipped mine, he tie-wrapped it to a piece of cardboard to provide a very secure shipping. But, and this is the attention to detail I mentioned above, the tie-wraps were around the rubber hose sections so they would not scuff the painted section. The hose clamps were pre tightened where they needed to be, and snug where they needed to be tightened.

It’s that type of attention to detail that always impresses me with any vendor. The little things are important and an indication of the quality of a vendor.

All in all, I am quite pleased with the whole deal.

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I'm with ya! I purchased one from him last October, and was very impressed at the quality and attention to detail he displayed with the making and packaging of the tube.

I've observed the same things you listed: better breathing, sound, performance (subjective, perhaps!). I installed the K&N panel filter, and a DynoMax exhaust system.

Good stuff....kudos to RichardM
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Hey, 94 DD 4.6....

How about posting a pic of that tube? I've read alot about them, but never have seen one. I want to see what all the commotion is about!

How many $$ should I expect to pay for one if I decide I like it and want it?


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http://home.flash.net/~rfm2/oldtubes.htm

This is from his website, but mine is identical to the black oval one.

I like it.

I'm not sure what his latest price is, but there's a lot of posts about the tube, or you could PM him. I don't know the latest on whether he's making them again or not.

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Does this really make that much of a difference over the stock violin case? The violin case looks cooler....well, not cooler than the chrome tube...but....

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I have been saying the same things since I put mine on. And Richrd is a hell of a nice guy too!

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Does this really make that much of a difference over the stock violin case? The violin case looks cooler....well, not cooler than the chrome tube...but....
Yeah it does, I think so at least. The stock intake manifold and heads still flow like crap, but oh well.

Just go to RM's site and check out the pics of the inside of the violin case. I'll take one of his tubes over the violin case any day!

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Here is a shot of my RichardM tube, which I bought about a year ago.

I too, was impressed with his workmanship and packaging.

This "mod" was well worth it.



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So uh, you 94-95'ers have that pretty tube... what do us 96-97'ers get?

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Well you guys already have a decent tube not to mention the MAC kit, and the added benefit of having just about everything better in your cars already (i.e. heads that will take PI cams, better trans, cupholders in '97, 15 ft-lbs. more torque, need I continue?)

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Lets see;

You have a better intake, a better tranny, and in some cases, a better cupholder...lol

Don't you "96-97" guys have a tube, unlike our stock violin cases?

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err, yeah... i knew that... i was uh, just testin you is all...

and yes we have a tube... is it pretty and shiny? no. i rest my case

one benefit though, to the 94-95's IMO is the ability to use SC ground effects.

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So does this mean Richard is into production and starting to ship?

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Well you guys already have a decent tube not to mention the MAC kit, and the added benefit of having just about everything better in your cars already (i.e. heads that will take PI cams, better trans, cupholders in '97, 15 ft-lbs. more torque, need I continue?)
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You have a better intake, a better tranny, and in some cases, a better cupholder...lol
Better heads, better intake, better transmission, better headlights, better hood, cupholders... So, I don't what to hear any whining about our pretty tubes... LOL...

Oh wait, all that was already mentioned.



Me thinks me hear “96/97 envy” from us 94/95’ers…

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Kind of off the subject, but still on the subject of intake...


Does ANYONE know ALL the parts required to convert the upper intake on a 94 to the upper intake on a 97? I've been wanting to do this mod, (Shouldn't be too hard, unbolt the upper intake, and mount the new one). But I have no been able to find anyone who knows exactly which parts are needed. My car is a daily driver, so i can't have it not running for more then a day or 2 at the most.

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Off the top of my head:

Throttle cable and cruise control cable (maybe, I'm not sure on the cruise)
Throttle cable bracket
EGR tube
EGR Valve
IAC Valve
Air inlet tubing (MAF to TB)
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Hoses/fittings for PCV, vacuum hookups, etc.

I'm sure there's more that I've missed. I haven't done the swap, but did look into it.

It's not just a straight bolt on and bolt off. And I'm not sure how much power improvement is actually in the intake vs. the restrictive 94/95 heads.

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i ordered one a while back and he even had it chrome dipped for me since i like the whole chrome show effect ,he went out of his way to make me happy and mines the extended one that goes all the way to the maf looks really nice

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yes i will definitely vouch for richardm he is an amazing guy to deal with.

he gave me his home phone number and anytime i had trouble with the parts that he sold me i could call him and he would always give his instructions and good advice.

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That is my tube. It's great amd so is RichardM!

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I think RichardM should name his tube so its not so infamously known as the RichardM tube lol... name it something like, The RiM Job... short for RichardM... no? hmm... Let's have a contest... name the RichardM tube and receive a free autographed photo of a genuine RichardM tube!

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Off the top of my head:

Throttle cable and cruise control cable (maybe, I'm not sure on the cruise)
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EGR tube
EGR Valve
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Air inlet tubing (MAF to TB)
Fuel Rail
Throttle Body
Hoses/fittings for PCV, vacuum hookups, etc.

I'm sure there's more that I've missed. I haven't done the swap, but did look into it.

It's not just a straight bolt on and bolt off. And I'm not sure how much power improvement is actually in the intake vs. the restrictive 94/95 heads.
When i replaced the Coolent temp sensor, i told ford i had a 95 tbird (which is what i have). The sensor they gave me was completely the wrong size. They even showed me the screen which showed it being the right one for the 95, after alot of research, we found the coolent temp sensor that i had, was a 97 temp sensor. They said with that being true, i had 97 heads...

I dunno how true that is, or what affect on anything else that would have. Just an FYI.

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Yea I have to agree with all of the statements above, i was told that RichardM wasn't making any tubes at the time so i contacted him to find out and he told me that he hust happened to have an unpainted finished one sitting around and he painted it how i wanted and got it out and to me in no time. I recieved it and it looked and fitted great onto my engine, I love it, probably one of the few parts that i have bought that i don't feeel guilty about buying. I highly recomend it to anybody thinking of getting one. Great guy, thanks Richard!
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Yeah it does, I think so at least. The stock intake manifold and heads still flow like crap, but oh well.
Even ported '96/'97 NPI heads and '99-up PI heads flow like [email protected] Unfortunately that's the only option available unless your family owns a hundred oil wells or something equivalent.
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Just go to RM's site and check out the pics of the inside of the violin case. I'll take one of his tubes over the violin case any day!
According to RichardM's intake Web page (http://home.flash.net/~rfm2/intake.htm), a gutted violin case is actually the best available for the '94-'95 Birds. Only a true 3" tube theoretically would flow better, but they don't fit under the stock hood and haven't been made yet (if that page is up to date).
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Summary, on a stock intake using a K&N panel filter on the stock airbox with the silencer removed, the modifications shown here were valuable in improving performance HP and Torque over the stock tube with a stock MAF. For cars with highflow MAFs, this modification is probably equivalent to a 3" intake tube in most respects. It is possible that a truly smooth bore 3" mandrel bent inlet tube would outperform this modification, but a tube of this nature will most likely require a modification to the hood crossbrace for clearance and to date there are no tubes of this type available.
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My questions are: 1) Does a gutted '95 violin case really flow better and produce better results than the RichardM tube that everyone has been getting? 2) Can I purchase a violin case gutted in this manner from RichardM along with the 80mm smoother bore rubber hose that attaches to the MAF? Or can I send RichardM mine and have him mod it like that? 3) Does RichardM still even post here anymore?

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Just kidding. Anyways, on otherwise stock engine, I would find it hard to believe that there is any difference between a gutted violin case and the RM tube. I guess it's possible, but if there was any difference I can not see how it would be more than negligible.

I've never heard of Richard modding the violin cases for people, but you could ask. He is around here every now and then still, and a great guy to deal with.

As far as I know, he is not producing tubes right now. You can still find them occasionally from people with 94-95 cars switching to a new intake setup. I'm one of them, keep your eyes open on the For Sale forum in the next month, as I will be selling mine as my Explorer intake won't take it.

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Anyways, on otherwise stock engine, I would find it hard to believe that there is any difference between a gutted violin case and the RM tube. I guess it's possible, but if there was any difference I can not see how it would be more than negligible.
RichardM's site seems to indicate that a modified violin case will even outflow a RichardM tube that fits under the hood when both are used with a bigger MAF. He theorized that a true 3" tube might flow better, but then there's the hood clearance issue.
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I've never heard of Richard modding the violin cases for people, but you could ask. He is around here every now and then still, and a great guy to deal with.
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As far as I know, he is not producing tubes right now. You can still find them occasionally from people with 94-95 cars switching to a new intake setup. I'm one of them, keep your eyes open on the For Sale forum in the next month, as I will be selling mine as my Explorer intake won't take it.
What do you think the reason he stopped was? Was it because he was losing money on it? Not enough time? Got tired of it? What?

I'll keep an eye out when you're ready to sell. Thanks

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RichardM's site seems to indicate that a modified violin case will even outflow a RichardM tube that fits under the hood when both are used with a bigger MAF.

Was it because he was losing money on it? Not enough time? Got tired of it? What?

I wasn't even talking about the MAF, I was talking more about the craptacular intake manifold and heads that we have...I don't know that we could even utilize the extra air. I'm sure it is possible though. I've read everything on his site before though, I know what it says.

I don't know that he was losing money, I would assume with supply/demand being what it is that his potential profit earnings were pretty good. I believe that it would fall more along the line of it is very time consuming.

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Making the tubes takes a bunch of things to coordinate, the most important is this.

When people say they want one, then I accept their intent, notify them that it is time to send funds and get their intake tube once built, I lose about 30% of the "prospective buyers" for a myriad of reasons. Then I have to repost that I have some left and that takes time, then 30% of them fall out.
Months after things get started I am still trying to find payment in the mail for a tube that someone has committed in email to. Some people have legit reasons. I have had a number of folks get on hard times, I understand that.

Meanwhile after 2-3 weeks of waiting for a check I recontact the person and find they no longer want one. But during that time I have had to decline to make one for 5-10 people since I am holding one for a prior committment.

I like making the tubes. It is a good design and I am proud of all the great comments and serious success it has created for improved performance.
I however have 7 tubes spoken for and 4-5 folks have not sent funds. One is very legit and the others, whatever. I could sell these things easy if you had to buy only black in color and you paid with a credit card and I did not have these other things taking months to transpire.

I could ideally make 5 tubes a week easy. But I would need to make them as off the shelf items with no special colors or fitment allowed.
I ultimately like to make unique parts, made by hand, to your needs. If I wanted a production line I would, but that is not my thing, I'd really rather sell the design in total to MAC or XYZ if that were to be true.

And, I would not make them if there was not a real profit. I make enough to justify spending 3-4 months of draw-out process to fill 15 orders. Its not a living and only buys me the next set of racing tires or whatever. It has funded my racing and modifications without digging into the "family" funds. Otherwise I would not do any of it.

I appreciate all the feedback and I must say, if it was easier I would make more. It is just harder to do when you make custom stuff. I also never have asked for payment without being ready to ship the part right away when it does arrive. I could take 100 orders and require prepayment, but I can't regulate my workload that way either. I do have another life.

Suffice it to say that I may make another big bunch when things turn around at home. Getting a paying job is priority now and that is that.

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