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Wow...I'm wasted...

Day one is complete and I'd say a good amount of progress was made today. Starting at 8 am today the trans/exhaust was pulled, but everything else was still completely intact.

As of 3:30, my car now has no engine...the old engine and new engine are sitting alongside each other...old engine has entire harness removed, fuel system, ignition system, front cover, valve covers, crank pulley all removed. Only pieces left to pull are the oil pan, pickup tube, and filter adapter. Injectors are cleaned and seated in the new engine. We decided to order a '96-7 engine wiring harness just to make things easier.

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Estimated time of completion: next weekend, by Saturday hopefully. Would be sooner but we are waiting on some parts and my dad works about 80 hours a week at the dealership...

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Congrats! The first time you do this in an MN12 is always the hardest. From now on, it'll feel a lot simpler. Plus breaking all those tough bolts loose the first time really sucks. It's fun, isn't it?

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I pulled the engine and tranny for a 97 not that long ago. I pulled the engine and tranny out at the same time, made it way easier. Took about 4.5 hrs from removing the hood to watching the hoist lift her prom the engine bay. Good work, t-birds and cats are not the easiest vehicles to swap motors in.

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We had the engine out in less than four hours, but with no tranny to deal with.

You're right, MN12s are a real bear...two of the veteran mechanics who were working today stopped by to give some advice and check it out...and they both at separate times commented about how difficult MN12s were to work on.

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I will be doing this maybe next week-end to my 92.I am swapping out the 5.0 for a better 5.0 and a 5-speed.After I watched them take out my Mark VIII engine 4 times I learned alot, plus I have done hundreds of stang swaps so that makes it alot easier.
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T-5? You have all your parts for the swap yet?

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Sorry but I dont think a T-5 will last to long with me. I had a SCed stang and they lasted about 2 shifts at the track and they were in a Mustang, lighter car.I am putting a M5R2 behind it. I have everything I need for the swap already, has taken me all year to gather it up but I have it all down to the last bolt.
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What all you got on the new 302?

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What all you got on the new 302?
Not much.....
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You didn't drop the gas tank I hope... that's a lot of extra work when you can drop the IRS with 6 bolts.

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You didn't drop the gas tank I hope... that's a lot of extra work when you can drop the IRS with 6 bolts.
I didn't drop anything...when I got home from college the tranny, driveshaft, and exhaust were already dropped.

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I didn't drop anything...when I got home from college the tranny, driveshaft, and exhaust were already dropped.
Damn, where can I buy parts that do that??
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Palmguy,

I read that you bought a 96-97 harness. There is one possible issue...the 94-95 had the EDIS in a separate box under the hood and the 96-97 had it internal in the EEC and I don't know the wiring diferences in the harness. Worst case is you can do some splicing of just what you need but it is something I would research. Maybe ask Big Scott.

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Thanks for the heads-up Tim...

I was planning on just splicing the stuff that I needed but my dad wanted to order the harness so he did. If I find out from you or Scott (or anyone else for that matter) that it won't work, I'll cancel that order from Ford.

Tim, what did you run before the SVO? I can't seem to find it anywhere...

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I guess you mean 1/4 mile times. Consistant 15.2 down from 16.2 with the stock motor. Aaron with the same explorer setup and his 3.27 rear is in the 14's

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In addition to that, the 96/97 harness has a different shaped main plug. the one on the 94/95 is square, and the one on the 96/97 is rectangular. The only way to make the 96/97 harness work is to replace the PCM, and the entire harness from the PCM into the engine bay.

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I read that you bought a 96-97 harness. There is one possible issue...the 94-95 had the EDIS in a separate box under the hood and the 96-97 had it internal in the EEC and I don't know the wiring diferences in the harness. Worst case is you can do some splicing of just what you need but it is something I would research. Maybe ask Big Scott.

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96-97 T-bird fuel rails
" " EGR valve or use the one that came with the GT engine
" " EGR tube ( GT tube wont work)
" " Vac. line harness
" " accelerator bracket
" " IAC valve or use the GT IAC (splice GT IAC connector to harness to use either valve)
" " PCV valve & tube
80 or 90 mm LMAF and LMAF wiring
GT intake tube.94-95 T-bird IAT sensor won't fit in this intake. Use GT IAT sensor by splicing GT IAT connector on to your harness.( be sure GT engine comes with harness!!)
190lph fuel pump ( not necessary but a good idea.)
96-97 T-bird EGR solonoid, bracket and transducer.
96-97 T-bird timming chain cover, crank seal, and tensioner or just bend the a/c lines to clear the extra idler pulley of the GT engine. Somebody here did'nt have any trouble with the a/c lines making contact, not sure why not but I did
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Gt torque converter( Fill with Mercon V)
8 flex plate bolts

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Alter motor mounts if using 99-2000 GT engine (Windsor). May not be necessary for 2001-2003 GT engine (Romeo)
Convert your harness to a 96-97 T-bird harness ( A whole lot of cutting and splicing!) or just extend the wires that need extending
Ford no longer makes the 96-97 T-bird plenum( The part that has the 4.6L plaque)You'll have to use the GT plenum. It has one less vac. port than the T-bird plenum so use a Tee for the brake booster vac. hose or better yet drill and tap the boss on the back of the plenum ( next to the EGR valve) use a brass fitting and connect the brake vac. hose to it.
Have a chip made
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Tim,

Check your PM box.

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Got it....check yours. Relax. Breath in breath out.......this really isn't as bad as it sounds

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OK here are your answers...note this is based on using the explorer EGR flow sensor and Explorer EEC Head temp sensor rather than the tbird water temp sensor. If you choose to use the tbird sensors then the only explorer wiring conector you will need is the IAC and the other ones can just be lengthened to fit. I am listing all the wires that will need to be either lengthened or spliced.

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White/Blue White/Blue
Red/ Purple/White

TPS Stays the same just needs lengthened

EGR Flow sensor Same wire colors whether Tbird or explorer is used however explorer requires conector from explorer harness

EGR Vacuum regulator Stays same needs lengthening

EEC Engine temp
Green/Red Green/Yellow
Gray/Red Tan/Red

You will need to strip the wiring sheath off the harness starting on the drivers side rear of the motor forward to get access to the wires then you can just rewrap them.

That's all everything else can be rerouted....not too bad

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I hope you get all the bugs out by the 30th and can cruise down for our little get together... James D. from Kissimmee just posted that he's planning on making the trip...

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Tim and others...

I obviously don't have the wiring in front of me now...but the big plastic piece that runs wires across the top of the '94-95 intake will obviously not work on the PI intake...do I somehow take the wiring out of that and run it my own way so that it will work?


GB, I'll have all the bugs out hopefully by then including having my MAF/Chip combo installed. I'm not even messing with that now, just going to get it running on the stock MAF. I'm definitely coming and running...and hopefully it's not too optimistic for me to hope to see 14.999 or better. Tim ran a 15.2 or so with open 3.08/stock TC, not sure how much of a difference the Mark TC will make but maybe the weather will be better and all that and I'll have a good run or two.

I'm planning on replacing the motor mounts when I install headers within the next six months to year...my mounts look great right now.

Also of note, my stock valvetrain looked amazing...very little wear all things considered.


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Aaron K runs 14.80 with his Explorer bird with 3.27's and some bolt ons... I think he may have true duals, too... he's swapping in 3.73's but I'm not sure if he'll have em in before the meet... you should be right about where he's at now....

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You got it Brian just separate that flat plastic piece (the thing I called a sheith) and there will be a bundle of wires inside it. Just throw out the flat piece and route the wires where they need to go then you can either cover them with some split loom or rewrap them in tape......or if you are like me as soon as you hear it running you will say I'll do it later. Now 8 months later I am still trying to find the time to wrap the wires....I just have them bundled with some wire ties

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e-mail is [email protected]...could you send me the pre-SVO pics again? When I got hit by the virus I lost that...

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Just to be positive, can someone confirm for me that I don't need to waste my time with the '96+ harness as the connector is different? Just want to be sure before I go in and cancel the order this morning.

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