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post #1 of 33 (permalink) Old 05-20-2004, 11:01 PM Thread Starter
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new t-bird engine

man, why couldn't Ford have given us T-Bird owners this kinda love back in the 90's?:

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"An already efficient powertrain gets a boost in acceleration performance, with a 280-HP, 32-Valve DOHC engine. The optional Select Shift transmission allows for gear changes like a manual transmission without a clutch. The 32-valve 3.9L V8 has the free-breathing, high-output characteristics of four valves per cylinder, plus dual overhead camshaft design. Variable Cam Timing improves engine performance, fuel economy and power."
that is taken from the Ford site, this is the engine that's in the new T-Birds....an engine that creates WAY more power with less fuel....

maybe the next engine swap to be done? unfortunately, not by me don't have the $$$ or time to attempt something like that
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and that "Select Shift" tranny is a 5-speed auto, too
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bah, that smaller than my V6 I'm building someone just built a naturally asperated 4.2L that made 265rwhp/280rwtq, had over 240rwtq from 2000-5500rpm and it was faily cheap to build, I would think that that 3.9L DOHC would be hard to squeese any more power out off also.

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man, why couldn't Ford have given us T-Bird owners this kinda love back in the 90's?
They did, but they named it: "Lincoln Mark VIII"

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..... I would think that that 3.9L DOHC would be hard to squeese any more power out off also.
I'd agree, since the HP rating is at 6000 RPM.....I don't know anything about HP curves and whatnot, but max HP at that high an RMP seems unusable for the most part (how often is one driving with the engine revving that high?).
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I would venture to guess it can handle itself just fine daily driving. Even if peak power is at 6k, it probably still can move alright in the middle RPM range.

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i would have to say there is no replacement for displacement, ford should have given us a 5.8.
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I don't think we would have ever gotten a 5.8, myself. Chances are higher of maybe a 5.4.

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ford should have raised the belt and winow line of the car to accomoadate a 351. The bird should have never been offered with a 3.8. It should have come with a 302 with dual exhaust and 230 hp standard. It should have come with a sport insturment cluster and 4 wheel disk brakes, 16x7.5 wheels 235 60 16 H speed rated tires, 11.5 inch dual piston brakes, and a track lock rear end with 3.55s as standard equipment.

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Call Ford and tell them what you just said. Tell then to scrap that new POS body for the Bird bring back the 94-95 body witha sleek NASCAR wing in the back and hail a new era and rebirth of the american Ford muscle car.

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I would venture to guess it can handle itself just fine daily driving.
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With the way gas prices are tending, I wouldn't mind at all if that hybrid engine that's goin into the Escape would swap into the t-bird. I hear it makes pretty good torque because of the electric motor... probably not a really fast engine, but hey 35 mpg wouldn't hurt
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yeah eltric motors make instant tq, its great, the civic hybrids are pretty cool in a 5spd, id own one, so if the escape gets one, id might look into that, b/c i like the escapes alot, sport, useful, and atractive, its been one of the most on ford made in a while

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It's not an if, it is happening, there is a Hybrid Escape that will hit showroom floors in about six or seven months.

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My sister has a 2003 T-Bird and has noticed that there is nothing more that can be done to the engine other than a supercharger to squeeze out any more HP. The car is very heavy because it is a convertible. Yes, the transmission is better than a stock 4R70W, but not worth the difference if you have a transmission shop custom build you a racing 4R70W with a trans-go kit and kevlar clutches and kolene reaction plates. I have blown my sister off the line quite a few times and she cannot even come close to beating me. Thus, Ford had a nice idea, but left no room for upgrades and modifications.

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My sister has a 2003 T-Bird and has noticed that there is nothing more that can be done to the engine other than a supercharger to squeeze out any more HP. The car is very heavy because it is a convertible. Yes, the transmission is better than a stock 4R70W, but not worth the difference if you have a transmission shop custom build you a racing 4R70W with a trans-go kit and kevlar clutches and kolene reaction plates. I have blown my sister off the line quite a few times and she cannot even come close to beating me. Thus, Ford had a nice idea, but left no room for upgrades and modifications.
Their primary target audience, or at least the majority of people who buy those things, have no interest in modding them at all.

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yes sir, and a pitty to the name, im ok with the licoln LS's becuase there 4 doors and i think they look really good, but i dont know if im a big fan of the 3.9L. im sure you could get some more power out of the engines, its only puting 250hp to the crank, nissan puts 280 hp to the crank of there 3.5L v6, i doubt its like a honda s2000, where if you put any mods on it, it will not gain any power

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The design should have never changed from the 94. IMO.

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yes sir, and a pitty to the name, im ok with the licoln LS's becuase there 4 doors and i think they look really good, but i dont know if im a big fan of the 3.9L. im sure you could get some more power out of the engines, its only puting 250hp to the crank, nissan puts 280 hp to the crank of there 3.5L v6, i doubt its like a honda s2000, where if you put any mods on it, it will not gain any power
2003+ 3.9L engines are up to 280 bhp.

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hmm, think more power could be made out of them, 280hp, why is everyone raging on the 3.9s thats alot, i thought they were still on 252hp, i wonder how much hp can be mad with that cammer small small v8

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mainly what i was trying to get across when i posted this is the fact that the engines make a lot more power, while using less fuel. i'm sure the engine and tranny would probably perform better if it was not in the newer body style, and were in our older and (somewhat) lighter body styles (hence my original post about them giving us this kinda stuff back in the 90's).

for a lot of people that drive our cars, they don't really care about turning their car into a 'vette killer or anything, they just want a nice looking car that rides good and has decent power. i'd take a 280HP engine that uses less gas over our current 4.6L engine, and maybe just slap on an SC, good exhaust, and other minor mods, and be totally happy with it, as would a lot of others. 286 Torque at 4k RPM stock is not too shabby....and throw in some better gears and a chip on top of the other things listed above, and it's not looking too bad at all.

true, you can probably get more power out of a 4.6L right now.....but give it some time, and i'm sure someone will figure out a way to get more power out of a 3.9L as well. also, think of it this way: smaller engine = less room being taken up in the engine compartment = easier to do a single, or even double turbo setup.
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at least Ford kept it a v8 and rwd look what chevy did to the impala, monte carlo, malibu etc.... but its a little to small for me

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Some where I read about a concept bird with a blown 3.9. If forgot the exact numbers, but I am thinking it was in the mid to high 300's. I am pretty sure that this concept is going to stay a concept and nothing more.

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yeah but that is a FOOSEone of a kind.

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what is the supercharged motor (3.9 or 4.0L) in the new shelby cobra? Fastest current production sportscar. Something like 3.2 seconds 0-60.
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Try 5.0L.

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I meant this one , but trying to read between the lines, I think it is the Olds/Northstar 4.0L engine with a supercharger, but I am not sure.

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