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Modifying SSautochrome Headers?

Well, If everything goes as planned, I'll be getting a set of ssautochrome headers (jba's). I know about the craking and all, but I was wondering witch tube(s) are the ones that crack. I remeber someone posted a while back that they were going to have some extra weld put in where they crack. I was thinking of doing that too. I'd rather have the Kooks, but I can get these ones for about $100. Any help is appreciated.

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I've had mine since September 2003, so far so good.

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Did you do anything to them? Were they hard to put on? That's great yours are goin good.

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I installed them while doing an engine swap, so it was easy. I didn't make any changes to them, but I didn't use the mounting hardware (bolts) that came with them. They are too short and you will strip the threads in the head if you try to use them. I used the stock studs and nuts from the old exhaust manifolds.

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Do you think having headers will make it sound any different?

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Hard to say. I installed duals with x-pipe, and removed the CATs so any sound changes due to the headers would be hard to isolate.

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Do you think having headers will make it sound any different?
I'm going to say no for two reasons. These shorty headers are basically glorified factory exhaust manifolds at best. Number two is that if your configuration is stock than you have 3 cats and 2 mufflers to muffle the sound.
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I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree with that. I have the ssauto chrome headers on my cat, stock 3 cats then a flowmaster cat back. There is a noticable difference in the volume that comes from the engine bay area, not from the rear. It is a little louder, but nothing too loud. Sometimes there sounds like an exhaust leak, but its not...I'm not sure what it is. It was discussed b/f somewhere.

As for difficulty installing them, giver yourself about 2 days on and off to get them in. They were a PITA on my car. Just have a bit of paitience and it will be fine.

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Tube headers/manifolds can be noisier. Valve noise and all can resonate more in the thin tubing. Clatter and all that stuff.
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Tube headers/manifolds can be noisier. Valve noise and all can resonate more in the thin tubing. Clatter and all that stuff.
Tell me about it. I hate the interior noise I get with my headers.....I'm almost considering putting the stock manifolds back on because of it

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Those headers look like they should be strong, Aaron. Have you already installed them?
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Yeah, I've had them installed for 5 months now. No cracks yet.....knock on wood

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Thanks, Aaron K. Did you just get them welded on that one side?

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I added a total of 3 pieces of metal to only the passenger side header since its the problem header. I added a piece to each side of the flange and one towards the end of the collector.

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The headers make it noisier, but you mostly hear the intake when you're driving. At least I do. I think it sounds good, not annoying or loud or anything. Sounds nice.

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I had to pieces of metal welded on mine today, a piece in the middle of the flange and one on the collecter pretty much like Aaron K, so they probably won't crack now. Can't wait to get them on! Do you guys think i'll see much of a gain if i have these headers, dual 2.5' pipe, and a magnaflow dual in dual out muffler in the center of the car (where the 3rd cat used to be)?

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What type of welder did you guys use? How thick is the metal that the headers are made from. I have a friend who is pretty good with a welder, but he was unsure about how hard it would be to weld on those headers.
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The guy that did it for me used a wire feed welder, and I think that would be the best thing to use

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4 years after documenting the cracks and people are still wasting money on these headers? Not only that but no fix, just keep pumping the same crap out the door as long as people are stupid enough to keep buying them. They are total garbage. Not only do they crack, they don't make any power either.
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well, for $100 their worth a try, and don't call me stupid, how I spend my ****in money is my own business, ok. Maybe I don't have 700 frickin dollars to spend on headers.

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well, for $100 their worth a try, and don't call me stupid, how I spend my ****in money is my own business, ok. Maybe I don't have 700 frickin dollars to spend on headers.
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all he is saying is that it has been tried many times.. and all they get for it is $600 less in their pockets.. 6-8 hours wasted installing them the first time.. and skinned knuckles for practically no gain

and whats worse is having to take them OFF when they crack

just be sure to use stock mounting hardware.. otherwise you'll strip the heads.. not good..

some of these guys have been fooling around with their cars for quite a while.. i've been here about 3 years.. danner and JL have been around a bit longer

and if a certain man w/ a single letter for a name posts something, take it for what its worth... thousands of dollars have been spent on a dyno to figure out best gains and whats worthless...

if you HAVE to have headers and can't afford kooks.. then the SSAC or JBAs will work.. but be prepared to have to put your manifolds back on..

they say the plastic intake cracks.. not everyone has had it crack.. but it is a known issue.. all cars and all products are different in their own way.. not all will crack, but a fair warning , they are definitely prone too...

he isn't telling you how to spend your money.. he's just letting you know that it might not give the results you expect..

and whatever you do... don't do the MAF mod...
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But wouldn't you think that they at least a little better than stock manifolds, I'm not sticking up for the quality of these by any means, but I have got the same crap i about how much they suck, but it is my choice. So I don't really need to hear it again for the fifth time. They are a lot of guys who are using them without problems. Im not saying that if you paid 600+ dollars you shouldn't be mad. I just started this thread to ask some simple questions.

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arent these the headers that are always popping up on ebay?








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i bid on a pair of these, and got out bid at the last second...for better or for worse.








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They are not "worth a try", or "a little better than stock manifolds". They are worth nothing and are total junk. Chris's Cougar made 7HP less than Dan's Bird did. The only difference is Dan's car has PI heads(compression bump), and JBA headers. If they don't make any difference on a blown car like that, they damn sure aren't going to make a difference on an NA car.
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Well, I guess im just a stupid **** then, sorry if i'm not around to see dyno sessions on these cars, or have a lot of friends with them. I guess if your a little misonformed around here your stupid. O and thanks very much, thats the 6th time I have heard the same thing.

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actually.. no one called you stupid...

he said customers in general of JBA are stupid enough to keep buying them

kinda like the "chips" on ebay.. the little resistor boxes for $20.. if people are dumb enough to buy them, someone will keep selling them
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Actually, I guess i would be a customer of these headers so......"customers in general of JBA are stupid enough to keep buying them" Even if these aren't worth a darn, I already have them might as well use them. I think they're a little more legit than those transistor boxes Besiedes I want to see if they make it sound any different, someone said on here a day or so ago that everyone's car is different and responds to modifactions a little differently so maybe I'll gain a tad bit of power. Trust me If I could afford the Kooks I would. But that's just not possible for me right now. I know that Jerry is the man, and I put a lot of stock into what he says, but it's just like the Jmod. It's the best, or so I've heard. But anytime one guy decides to maybe buy a shift kit, and just try something new on this board he just gets crucfied for it. I mean it's our choice what we do to our cars right? And I don't think we should have to get a bunch of crap for it. Unless it's a fart can or a huge wing

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