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Installing a New T-stat

Pretty soon im gonna buy the SCT 9100 Flasher, which is pretty much, a SCT chip, but in flasher form. Ok, i have read, that to minimize detonation, and maximize power, use 22C plugs and a 180 T stat. Since im in cali, i prolly wont be able to pass smog with this stuff. Id have to set the stock tstat, stock plugs, and stock tune back in when i smog. Anyway, where is the Tstat housing located, so u can remove the old one, and install the new one? The spark plugs look pretty easy to change on the driver side, but the passenger side looks a little tougher.


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upper radiator hose going to the motor under that silver elbow its right there.

california - smog - sucks to be you all.... and if you have to change plugs to pass smog id move.

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yep, i found it, its right next to the alternator, i also found that out, on the modualr depot forums, they said the same thing, thx anyway, ah, i could prolly keep the 22C plugs in an pass, but the 180 tstat and reflash wont fly though.


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for some reason, my dad is bein a total *** he says ur not doing anything crap, im like w/e, (considering i paid for most of the car, i pay insurance and gas, and for oil changes, etc.) he thinks that changing plugs n tstat is gonna somehow "Hurt" the car. If u tune it for it, it should be fine, god he pisses me off, then i said when it comes u emission controls, just put the stock tstat back in god he makes me so mad..


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hehe, pull a plug wire and tell him its running 'rough' and you need new plugs. and as far as the tstat goes, just be like im flushing the coolent to make the car run cooler and changing the tstat is just routine maintence.

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that wont work, he wont let me do somethin like that, besides, i dont kno if the tstat or plugs have been changed or not, cant really tell, havent looked. Prolly should be, Can it really hurt the car to have a 180 tstat and 22C plugs on the car, and if its tuned properly, god sometimes i feel like taking a brick and wacking it upside his head sometimes cause he doesnt know what hes talkin bout, and makes up all this bs that itll "screw the car up or w/e".


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is it really necessary to install a 180 t-stat on a N/A engine anyway?


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not necessary and pointless unless the EEC is reprogamed for one.
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what advantage does it have if its programmed for it anyway?


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fan turns on at that temp.
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and what advantage does that provide if it comes on earlier?


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with that you can run more timing which is ideal for higher octane gasoline, which can give you more power

so it all boils down to getting more power.........run higher octane gasoline, and you can add more timing (for increased power)...........and to prevent the risk of detonation that advanced-timing can sometimes bring about, make the heads/plugs run cooler.........install a 180* Tstat, and the heads run cooler.....install 1-step colder plugs, and the plugs retain less heat that would otherwise promote detonation
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if only i can get my father to stop bein a dick an listen, its my money, im payin for it, and im the one payin the bills on the car, i should be able to do what i want with it, besides new spark plugs, and tstat isnt hard to install, but, the changing the Tstat spills coolant everywhere from what ive heard...


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not everywhere, I put in the 180 last night and it only spilled a few drops out when I pulled out the old one then the coolant settled down, and dropped the new one in!

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the t stat is an easy job, just the two bolts, if its your money and you pay the bills, just go ahead and do it, a chip definitly makes a thunderbird a diffrent car, just make sure not to rev her past 5400 and you will be ok, you can rev her right to 5400, but past that its dangerous, and id think with the plugs and t stats, with your stock 3 cats there you would easily pass smog test, even in CA

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id prolly set the shift points at 5300 or so, anyway, changing plugs looks easy as well, right next to the injectors, the plugs on driver side r easy to get to, passenger side looks a little tougher. but, for a tstat, u got to be careful.


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The best improvement to these cars without changing a dog gone shift point is re -do that punny exhaust. Costs a little more than the chip merry go round, but if you want HP on the highway, it's the ticket. Start there. It keeps you're resale value up, and makes you go "OH YEAH!" that's what I'm taking about. It will make all the intake upgrades work much better. If I could do it again, I would have done exhaust first. ED.
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u guys arent gonna believe this heres what my dad says "Installing a 180 tstat and 22Cs will cause the car to run rich, and foul the convertors up"....While this is true on a STOCK tune, is it true of the car is tuned for it? God my dad is such a jerk, he wont let me mod my own freaking car. HE also says my gas mileage will drop with a SCT chip or w/e HAHAH. Plz debunk all of this...


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I'm going to assume that your father is not a car person. I love when people chime in their thoughts on things they have no idea about.

The plugs are a 20 minute job on your 97. Just get a long extension to get them out, and be sure to do it on a stone cold motor, and use some anti seize on the threads.

The thermostat is a two minute job, it has a reusable O ring so you just drop the new thermostat in and torque it down.

I don't see a benefit in an exhaust upgrade on a stock tbird. You can run low 14's without even touching the exhaust.

My list of basic mods for a stock 97 would be: SCT Tune, Trans flush and cooler and inline filter, Copper Plugs, Jmod, high stall converter, then 373's or 410's or 430's, pi intake, underdrive pulleys, electric water pump.

With these basic mods you will be able to run fast and suprise alot of people in your 4000 pound sled.

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actually yes, my father is a car person, he was a mechanic, but years ago, bout 20 or so years ago. He hasnt worked on cars for years, my uncle on the otherhand is a different story, and he told him that i believe, but supposedly that would only be true on a stock tune?


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i had cooler plugs and the tstat in before the tune.. i didn't run richer as far as i know.. i even did a dyno pull with it.. and it showed LEAN at some points if anything..

gas mileage will actually pick up if you drive "normal" with a SCT Tune.. obviously if you floor it all the time like most of us nutjobs.. then ya.. .mpg might drop
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in my bolt on 95 bird, I was getting 30.5 mpg on the freeway doing 70-75mph with Jerry's tune.

This is amazing gas mileage.

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i dont kno where my dad gets all this misinformation on chips and such and the main problem is if u tell him otherwise he thinks ur lying and r full of ****, he must of learned about it, when chips were crap. It still pisses me off hes dictatiing what i do to my own car, im 19 yrs. old, he treats me like a damn kid.


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so... buy a flasher... flash the car.. and if he asks what it is, tell him its an OBD-II scanner... you won't be lying, but you wont' be telling the entire truth
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he already knows everything i wanna get.... too late....., hed question it anyway. Besides, hed find out anyway, he would tell by lookin at the gas bill, that ive been usin 91


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i guess i'm just lucky.. i just show my mom my old parts that i take out and show her the wear and say .. "look.. aren't you glad i changed this NOW rather than later and have to bug you for a ride?"

my dad doesn't ***** anymore.. he did in the beginning.. then he remembered all the shyt he used to do back in the day... so he understands.. it keeps me busy

hell.. i told him i was swapping the pi cams in the car, and he said cool, let me know how it turns out...
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i wish my dad was like that, i wish he would stop bein such a punk, he thinks itll F up my car by doing this, he is such a NUB! HAHAH


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You single guys have it made... My wife is as bad as Wilson's faashah. Glad she doesn't know anything about cars. Yeah hon... that bright purple bottle in the trunk is going to eh.. cool the engine a little more. ya that's it... cool it more.

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Hey Wilson! quit complaining...Your Father is still probably putting food on the table and subsidizing a lot of what you have and do.... as long as youre not out and on your own you need to show a little respect for the man, and comply with his wishes. Its hard growing up in this day and age, but its also tough to raise a young man, and a lotta responsibility these days .... be thankful he is there for you, and show a little respect.... and thank the Lord Almighty I am not your dad! (LOL)
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actually.. i'm not single... and the girlfriend knows what half the stuff is for and what it does thanks to me.. but she is cool with it..

shocks people sometimes when you hear her talking about what the Nova has in it..
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