F-150 TB of Halfshafted TB - TCCoA Forums
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1 of 17 (permalink) Old 06-29-2004, 06:48 PM Thread Starter
6th Gear Poster
 
Will3799's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Long Island
Age: 35
Posts: 515
Send a message via AIM to Will3799
F-150 TB of Halfshafted TB

I know both of these mods dont weild any serious power but I am curious about them. What year F-150 has these throttle bodies, is one mod better than the other. Does anyone have these, do they make any difference?
Thanks
Will

Fear the insanely fast Thunderbird with SECRET mods!
Secret not meaning Fram filter and removed air silencer.
Yeah…definitely not

Future mods
5-Speed
Will3799 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 17 (permalink) Old 06-29-2004, 07:26 PM
AED Specialist
 
A-Train's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Somewhere in NJ
Age: 42
Posts: 1,277
Talking

Originally, I took the FRPP 70mm t-body and ground the rivet off that held the linkage onto the pivot arm. I did the same on the old 65mm unit as well. I then drilled and taped a hole into the FRPP pivot arm where the rivet used to be. I think I used a 10/32" stainless steel cap screw, but I'd have to look at my notes.

I transfered my old 65mm t-body linkage arm to the FRPP t-body and used a washer and some thread locker to secure it with the 10/32 screw. It's been like that for almost 8 years.



Kar Kraft sells the F-150 T-Body for the '94-'95 4.6L T-Birds and Cougars. I wouldn't waste your money on the throttle body since it doesn't do much on a stock or near stock engine.

A-Train

2008 Acura TSX (5AT)
2012 Honda Ridgeline RTL (w/Navi)

Ex toy: 1995 T-Bird LX - ALLEN supercharged, 2000 Mustang GT 4.6L PI engine, lot's of goodies...
12.74 @ 109.45 mph (BEST E.T. BEST MPH)
325 RWHP/380 RWTQ (SAE) on a dynojet
Tuned by Jerry W. from SCT
A-Train is offline  
post #3 of 17 (permalink) Old 06-29-2004, 07:31 PM
PostWhore
 
AEDM8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Central MN
Age: 38
Posts: 1,702
What is so special about it?

Some supercharged cars blow.......Others just pick up and move.
AEDM8 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #4 of 17 (permalink) Old 06-30-2004, 08:20 PM
AED Specialist
 
A-Train's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Somewhere in NJ
Age: 42
Posts: 1,277
Smile

Mike,

The '94-'95 cars had the linkage arm reverse of what all '96 and up 4.6L T-Birds/Cougars and Mustang GT's had. Look at the photo above. The left side (stock '96 T-Bird) and middle (BBK 75mm) throttle bodies have the linkage upside down when compared to the stock '95 4.6L T-Bird throttle body on the right.

There is no real way to directly bolt on a '96 and up t-body or FRPP 70mm unit onto a '94-'95 car without doing what I described above. So Will was trying to find the
F-150 trucks from late '96 and up that had the 70mm throttle body from the factory but with the linkage set-up like the stock 1995 T-Bird had.

Nothing special about the F-150 throttle bodies other than they bolt onto the '94-'95 4.6L MN12's without any mods and they measure 70mm on the inlet and 67mm at the rear. Just like the FRPP 70mm unit does.

A-Train

2008 Acura TSX (5AT)
2012 Honda Ridgeline RTL (w/Navi)

Ex toy: 1995 T-Bird LX - ALLEN supercharged, 2000 Mustang GT 4.6L PI engine, lot's of goodies...
12.74 @ 109.45 mph (BEST E.T. BEST MPH)
325 RWHP/380 RWTQ (SAE) on a dynojet
Tuned by Jerry W. from SCT
A-Train is offline  
post #5 of 17 (permalink) Old 06-30-2004, 09:12 PM
PostWhore
 
AEDM8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Central MN
Age: 38
Posts: 1,702
Could the F150 TB be used on a 96-97 with modification? Be nice to have a 70mm help let the heat pump my GF has breath.... I think I know where to get one for a good price....

Thanks for the explaination bud.

Some supercharged cars blow.......Others just pick up and move.
AEDM8 is offline  
post #6 of 17 (permalink) Old 06-30-2004, 11:01 PM
Refrigerator Raider Hater
Moderator
 
GreenBird's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Vermont
Age: 35
Posts: 11,719
No, as he said, the linkage is reversed. You could use an FRPP TB though.




Matt "Looks Like Egon" Davis
96 Alpine Green V8
98 Audi A8 4.2Q in Racing Green Totalled
02 Audi A8L 4.2Q in Black

I buy my OEM Ford parts at 10% over dealer cost from Steve in White Bear Lake, MN.
You drive "like a man possessed"... by a woman!
GreenBird is offline  
post #7 of 17 (permalink) Old 06-30-2004, 11:54 PM
Cougar Pilot
 
BlackCat94's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Gopher State
Posts: 3,443
Well at what point does a 70mm TB become an effective mod? Power adder? P&P?

TCCoA, there's no better way.
BlackCat94 - The Revolution.
1994 XR7 - Intake Tube, LMAF, March Underdrive Pulleys, J-Modded '00 Mustang Trans, Marauder T/C,
TruBendz 2.5" SS True Duals, Apten Flip Chip, FRPP 4.10s & Trac Lock, etc.

[email protected] with 3.27 gears
BlackCat94 is offline  
post #8 of 17 (permalink) Old 07-01-2004, 12:23 AM
PostWhore
 
AEDM8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Central MN
Age: 38
Posts: 1,702
No way to flip that linkage or use linkage off your old TB? Sorry, Im a visual person.

Just looking for a cheap alternative to the BBK or FRPP piece for the GF's AED.

Some supercharged cars blow.......Others just pick up and move.
AEDM8 is offline  
post #9 of 17 (permalink) Old 07-01-2004, 12:07 PM
Refrigerator Raider Hater
Moderator
 
GreenBird's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Vermont
Age: 35
Posts: 11,719
Quote:
Originally posted by AEDM8
No way to flip that linkage or use linkage off your old TB? Sorry, Im a visual person.

Just looking for a cheap alternative to the BBK or FRPP piece for the GF's AED.
the FRPP and F150 TB are the same with reveresed linkage. You can use an FRPP TB with no modifications and the gains would be the same as if you took the F150 TB and reveresed the linkage.

Having said that, the FRPP/F150 TB isn't a good upgrade since it isn't reall a true 70mm TB.

Just get an accufab, bbk, etc, TB.




Matt "Looks Like Egon" Davis
96 Alpine Green V8
98 Audi A8 4.2Q in Racing Green Totalled
02 Audi A8L 4.2Q in Black

I buy my OEM Ford parts at 10% over dealer cost from Steve in White Bear Lake, MN.
You drive "like a man possessed"... by a woman!
GreenBird is offline  
post #10 of 17 (permalink) Old 07-01-2004, 04:18 PM
Cougar Pilot
 
BlackCat94's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Gopher State
Posts: 3,443
Quote:
Originally posted by GreenBird
Just get an accufab, bbk, etc, TB.
Only one problem with that. Aftermarket throttle bodies are junk. And yes I do have a basis for saying that.
BlackCat94 is offline  
post #11 of 17 (permalink) Old 07-01-2004, 06:54 PM
Seasoned PostWhore
 
JoeyICU's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Syskesville MD
Age: 33
Posts: 2,894
Garage
yeah ive heard they have leaking issues, and idle issues also, but i dont know how much of that is actaully founded, or cuased soley by the TB

1995 Ford Thunderbird 4.6 LX - SC wheels, enlarged rear sway bar, full sound system, cut mufflers, PST 1 1/8" rear bar, Eibachs, Mark 8 LCA's, Al housed 3.55 gearset, cut mufflers
2011 BMX X5 Xdrive50i - BMS Stage 1, Cut Muffler
2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee 5.7L-Her stock DD
1984 Ford F250 6.9 IDIT - head studs in progress
JoeyICU is offline  
post #12 of 17 (permalink) Old 07-01-2004, 07:42 PM
PostWhore
 
AEDM8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Central MN
Age: 38
Posts: 1,702
So why cant I reverse the linkage if the TB's are relativly the same. Im not looking to spend help her spend a million getting her project going, mearly an alternative to the norm.

To me it sounds like it will work. Im going to experiment...Might as well considering the TB is only a few bucks. I guess we will see.

Some supercharged cars blow.......Others just pick up and move.
AEDM8 is offline  
post #13 of 17 (permalink) Old 07-01-2004, 08:13 PM Thread Starter
6th Gear Poster
 
Will3799's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Long Island
Age: 35
Posts: 515
Send a message via AIM to Will3799
Will switching the tb w/o a chip cause my enging to go lean, is this the same for a half shafted tb?

Fear the insanely fast Thunderbird with SECRET mods!
Secret not meaning Fram filter and removed air silencer.
Yeah…definitely not

Future mods
5-Speed
Will3799 is offline  
post #14 of 17 (permalink) Old 07-01-2004, 08:25 PM
RIP Jake
 
Leland Jacobson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Homosassa, Fl
Age: 79
Posts: 1,598
I tried the 70 mm T-Body on my '95 when it was a 4.6 still, and opening up the gooseneck was a PITA, and hardly worth it , Even with the whole induction opened up to 70 mm, there was no appreciable difference... Running a 75 mm on the 5.4, and wonder if theres any advantage to it, but thats what she came with ...
Leland Jacobson is offline  
post #15 of 17 (permalink) Old 07-03-2004, 09:50 AM
AED Specialist
 
A-Train's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Somewhere in NJ
Age: 42
Posts: 1,277
Smile

Mike,

Yes you can. If she has a '96/'97 then you can find the 70mm F-150 throttle body and reverse the linkage arms from the 65mm to the 70mm. Just do it the way I described above and the only change I'd make would be to use a stainless steel metric cap screw.

Although Dan Newman is selling the 70mm FRPP throttle bodies real cheap these days and you really want a new TPS on it since it's a PITA to get at it later on once it's installed. It's your choice though.

A-Train

2008 Acura TSX (5AT)
2012 Honda Ridgeline RTL (w/Navi)

Ex toy: 1995 T-Bird LX - ALLEN supercharged, 2000 Mustang GT 4.6L PI engine, lot's of goodies...
12.74 @ 109.45 mph (BEST E.T. BEST MPH)
325 RWHP/380 RWTQ (SAE) on a dynojet
Tuned by Jerry W. from SCT
A-Train is offline  
post #16 of 17 (permalink) Old 07-04-2004, 12:31 AM Thread Starter
6th Gear Poster
 
Will3799's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Long Island
Age: 35
Posts: 515
Send a message via AIM to Will3799
Quote:
Originally posted by Will3799
Will switching the tb w/o a chip cause my enging to go lean, is this the same for a half shafted tb?
Anyone?

Fear the insanely fast Thunderbird with SECRET mods!
Secret not meaning Fram filter and removed air silencer.
Yeah…definitely not

Future mods
5-Speed
Will3799 is offline  
post #17 of 17 (permalink) Old 07-04-2004, 06:51 AM
RIP Jake
 
Leland Jacobson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Homosassa, Fl
Age: 79
Posts: 1,598
Nope, there just isnt that much change....the flow will still be regulated , more or less, by the size of the smallest cross section area in the entire length of the induction system.
Leland Jacobson is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the TCCoA Forums forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in











Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome