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Engine Temp Way too High, Yes I searched

For the past month or so my engine temp has been kind of high due to driving at high rpm's when my trans was bad, so I figured this problem would be solved when the transmission was fixed.

Well, It wasn't. I am consistantly running 210-230 degrees, granted these gauges are ****, but it still worries me. I have also been drinking coolant pretty regularly, How would I check for a leak, is there a common place I should check first.

What else could be causing the high temps.

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If your temps have been high and you are loosing coolant than you likely have a leak.
Have the cooling system pressure tested. Your water pump could also be a candidate.
Any strange sounds from the front of your engine? (failing pump)

If you have a large enough pocket of air trapped in the cooling system it can become air bound.
But that requires a lot of air. Have you ‘burped’ the hose running from the radiator to the manifold?
Squeeze it a few times and see if you are squeezing water or air in the hose.

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Have the cooling system pressure tested. Your water pump could also be a candidate.
Any strange sounds from the front of your engine? (failing pump)

Squeeze it a few times and see if you are squeezing water or air in the hose.

This assumes that your coolant looks clean and you oil is not contaminated.
Would I be able to get the system pressure tested at a shop, or is it doable yourself with a tool of some sort, I only ask because most people will say your stuff is broken just to make a buck.

The hose feels fine, not too squishy, normal how it's always felt.

I haven't changed the oil yet, since this started, but I will find out soon enough I guess.

Thanks Alot.

Any idea how much it may cost to get pressure tested?

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any shop should be able to pressure test your system. I would start with that, and then thermostat, and then get into the radiator.
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Thermostat is new, 180 temp.....

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I hear ya, don't want stuff to go and blow up.

Preciate the reminder.

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did u get it pressure tested yet? just wondering if u found out what it was.

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Pressure Tested today, no leaks......I;m stumped

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isn't that i heard that 180 stat will make the low speed driving the temp little bit higher assuming if you still running on the stock tune or no tune from chip. i forget what's the theory now but it make sense.

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Pressure Tested today, no leaks......I;m stumped
have u noticed any drips or puddles on the ground at all? change the thermostat again (maybe you got a fualty one). Was the t-stat u used motorcraft? check out your water pump and check for leaks around the radiator also.

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You say its loosing coolant,and it was pressure tested with no leaks found.I would be suspicious of head gasket problem.The coolant is going into the cylinder and being "burned" in the combustion process.
Look to see if your getting any white smoke out the exhaust,especially after its warmed up.
If you dont see anything,then take it in to a shop that has a hydro-carbon sniffer,have them run it across the radiator fill tank.If they pick up any hydr-carbons,then youve found your problem.Gasket is failing.
Btw,the sniffer I am referring to,is used for tailpipe emission checks.
And they dont need to stick it into the coolant.Hover it ,and it should do,the trick.
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I suggest using a temp gun on the radiator. It could be plugged and will have cool spots. If you haven't changed the waterpump do it. These have got to be the easiest waterpumps to change. EVER. you don't even have to scrape a gasket off. The impeller may have broken in the water pump.
Also I always remove the coolant temperature sensor to fill these engines. They like to trap air in the top of the manifold.
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You say its loosing coolant,and it was pressure tested with no leaks found.I would be suspicious of head gasket problem.The coolant is going into the cylinder and being "burned" in the combustion process.
Look to see if your getting any white smoke out the exhaust,especially after its warmed up.
That was exactly what the guy at the shop said, althoughI don't see any dips in power or white smoke or any color smoke for that matter.

I'll keep trying to figure this out. We will see soon enough.

If it does happen to be the HG's, it looks like my PnP job will happen alot sooner.

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I have a few questions now, because I have to fill the damn fill tank everyday. I have to find out what is wrong here. I was laying on the ground today watching under the car, with it on for 20 minutes and off for 25 minutes. THere is no coolant dripping anywhere. There is no smoke at all coming from the pipes. THere is a tiny and I mean tiny rough idle, but that's it. Hoses are fine. From what I can tell by the dipstick there is no coolant in the oil, and vice versa.

I took it to a place to find out about the sniffer, nd the guy looked at me like I was crazy. Is this a common useage of the sniffer?

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IS there a way to tell if the waterpump or radiator are bad? Although where would all the coolant go? I know it's not all sitting in the radiator.

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You've had it pressure tested and no leaks.
Do you smell coolant?
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The coolant is going into the cylinder and being "burned" in the combustion process.
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That was exactly what the guy at the shop said, althoughI don't see any dips in power or white smoke or any color smoke for that matter.Dave
The coolant is going somewhere.
Have you checked the spark plugs?
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sounds like blown heqadgaskets. i've seen headgaskets go on the 3.8's with no sign other than coolant loss. if you cant figure it out for sure best bet is to take it to a shop and let them look at it.

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sounds like blown heqadgaskets. i've seen headgaskets go on the 3.8's with no sign other than coolant loss. if you cant figure it out for sure best bet is to take it to a shop and let them look at it.

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Alot of shops have the equipment to check for exhaust gases in the radiator. That may be a good thing to have checked out. You could just have a slight leak in the radiator that is hiding itself in the frame or something. Some coolant leaks can be a real PITA to find. My buddy has a 91 3.8 that leaks out the side tanks of the radiator. But only when it is really cold WTF?. Anyway I haven't known 4.6's to have head gasket problems. Can't say the same for 3.8's. If you told me it was a 3.8 the first thing I would say is either the headgaskets are bad or the head cracked.
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Pleae don't compare 4.6 modular engine to 3.8 pushrod junkers it slightly angers me.


Alot of shops have the equipment to check for exhaust gases in the radiator. That may be a good thing to have checked out. You could just have a slight leak in the radiator that is hiding itself in the frame or something. Some coolant leaks can be a real PITA to find. My buddy has a 91 3.8 that leaks out the side tanks of the radiator. But only when it is really cold WTF?. Anyway I haven't known 4.6's to have head gasket problems. Can't say the same for 3.8's. If you told me it was a 3.8 the first thing I would say is either the headgaskets are bad or the head cracked.
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first of all, i'm not comparing the 4.6 to the 3.8. i'm simply stating syptoms of headgasket problems are not always as clear as white smoke coming from the exhaust. It doesnt matter what engine it is, blown headgaskets are blown headgaskets. a blown headgasket on a 4.6 do not have different symptoms than blown headgaskets on a 3.8, same symtoms. And i dont really care what angers you and what doesnt, i'm not here to make you happy.

Second, Just because the 4.6 doesnt have common headgasket problems like the 3.8 doesnt mean that headgaskets have nver been blown on a 4.6, cuz trust me they have.

Third, a small leak in the radiator wont drink the whole coolant reservoir every day. and if it did it wouldnt be a slight leak it would be a major leak that would show some sign of coolant somewhere. he said he was under the car for 45 minutes and saw no coolant


Dave, your best bet is to have a mechanic look at it and tell you whats wrong. most places wont charge you just to tell you whats wrong.

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first of all, i'm not comparing the 4.6 to the 3.8. i'm simply stating syptoms of headgasket problems are not always as clear as white smoke coming from the exhaust. It doesnt matter what engine it is, blown headgaskets are blown headgaskets. a blown headgasket on a 4.6 do not have different symptoms than blown headgaskets on a 3.8, same symtoms. And i dont really care what angers you and what doesnt, i'm not here to make you happy.
Easy now I made my comment about comparing 3.8's to 4.6's in humor don't get your panties in a bunch over it. I also said It would be a good idea to have the radiator checked for exhaust gas. Yes we all know a blown headgasket is possible I just think he should be sure before removing the heads. Like I said coolant leaks can be very hard to find sometimes. Because they steam off and you never see them drip. If all else fails put some ultravoilet dye in it and check it with a blacklight.
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Okay let me go off a worst case scenerio here, if the HG's are blown......

HOw long will the car run before dying is this days, weeks, months???
Will continuing to drive the car cause other things to go as far as Pistons/rings/rods, any internal stuff.

Because if the HG's are gone I will have to drive the car for a few weeks like 4 or 5 while I save my pennies for a POS car to get me around while the birdie is down for a headswap; which could take 6months to a year.

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aww man, i couldn't give you an accurate estimate on that and i doubt anybody could, but the best advice is to find out for sure they are blown, a cylinder leakdown test would be the best way to find out if they are indeed blown, if they are then my advice would be to not drive it at all until it could be repaired.

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It sure seems like the HG's are the likely candidate at this point. I would attempt to rally
the TCCoA troops in your area for a HG changing party. This is not a difficult job.
It would take lees then the day to do.

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I hear ya, but if they are blown, I don't wanna just go and change the gaskets, if the heads gotta go in, then I wanna PnP the NPI's I have and throw Comp Cams in em before I tear the engine down to the heads.

Thanks For Everyones help. I will have this stuff tested Saturday or Tuesday.

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I just wanted to add, My AC seems to be cutting in and out, while I am driving. COuld this be a symptom of anything. It only stops for a second or two then comes back on.

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.... heater core? I just skimmed, but are you smelling coolant when the AC/heater is on?
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Ahhhhhhh, could that be where all my coolant is disappering to?

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not 100% sure on this but i thought if the heater core went, it would leak coolant inside the passenger cabin from behind the dash?

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