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One Thing After Another... Now I'm Hot!

So I'm driving home today and the temp guage just randomly starts climbing. By the time I get home (about 2 miles after I noticed it was climbing), it was almost to the H, but no lights came on. It also shuddered a few times while accelerating, like it was losing power. So I shut it off and pop the ole hood. No smoke or steam or red cats, and the engine really doesn't seem any hotter than it usually does. Now is the weep hole for the water pump on the top of the pump? (97 4.6) If so, I didn't see anything coming out of it. So I let it cool down and I go out and check on it and the coolant level is right where is should be. Oh, it was also 85 degrees outside when this happened, and I wasn't running the AC. Actually, I never run the AC, I just roll down the windows.

So, this evening, I make the mile trip to the store to get some goods, and it didn't really do anything on the way there. I took it really easy and basically coasted there. On the way back though, the temp guage started to rise again and when I go back I revved the engine to about 2500rpm for a few seconds and the guage started to rise fairly quickly. I shut the car off when it got to the middle, since I didn't want to hurt it any.

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Maybe you have a bad temp sending unit? If you can get your hands on a pyrometer, shoot the intake and see what its truly running at.

The only other thing that comes to mind would be a stuck thermostat, or possibly some air in the system somewhere. Have you opened the system up recently (to replace a hose, waterpump, etc...)

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I just bought the car in June, I haven't had the hoses or anything off, and this is the first time something like this has happened with this car.

Where could I get that pyrometer deal?

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I just bought the car in June, I haven't had the hoses or anything off, and this is the first time something like this has happened with this car.

Where could I get that pyrometer deal?

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I wonder if your thermostat needs to be changed? My T-bird started doing the same thing after my Head Gasket was changed 50,000kms ago.

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Sensors aside...I too think it might be your thermostat. When mine did this, I took the thermostat out(leave the gasket in) and drove it for a day--never heated up. So I bought a new one and a gasket--done deal. This is really easy to access and do yourself for less than $10. Remember to check your fluid levels(time for a flush?) If this does not fix it, maybe the radiator getting clogged up if no one has done a flush for a while. Good luck--keep us posted.
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just throwing this out there, but you could have a hose collapsing when it gets hot...the bottom hose coming off of the radiator is supposed to have a spring in it to combat that, but i have seen some without.....the top could also be collapsing. when it is warm, not hot but warm, give them a good squeeze (engine not running of course) and see how easy they collapse.

other than checking that, i would say thermostat too.

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NAPA sells a failsafe thermostat...

If it goes bad it opens, instead of sticking closed.

I put one in after experiencing the same issue you are seeing.

As was said above, take the one in there out, and drive it. If it still gets hot, you probably need to flush the radiator system.

There are other problems that can cause this; check the oil, see if it looks milky; or like a chocolate mocha...that is always bad...

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Cool, thanks guys, I'll definitely check that out. The t-stat in my last bird stuck open, so I hopefully I'm only getting the opposite.

Also, I don't think it would be a collapsing hose just because when the engine was somewhat cold and I held it at a higher rpm, the guage would move up pretty fast. So there was really no time for anything outside of the engine to get hot.

I was thinking about having the coolant flushed too, since I don't know if it ever has. It just turned over 87k miles. On a side note, when would I want to do the tranny?

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I did not see any mention of the cooling fan. Is the fan coming on? If its not you would see similar results on the gauge.
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Fan isn't on over 45 mph if I'm not mistaken. I would say after you check all that make sure you don't have any air in your system. Search on here about how to remove air from the cooling system. I think its also a tech article.

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Tools?

I'm having someone bring me some tools because I don't have any since I usually do all my work at my dad's house (he has everything).

So far all I can see for the t-stat is a flathead to get the hose clamp off, and a socket for the top of the bend there. Is there anything else that you guys can think of? I'd like to let him know before he comes out.

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Tools?

I'm having someone bring me some tools because I don't have any since I usually do all my work at my dad's house (he has everything).

So far all I can see for the t-stat is a flathead to get the hose clamp off, and a socket for the top of the bend there. Is there anything else that you guys can think of? I'd like to let him know before he comes out.

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That's about all you'll need. Also, someone suggested a bad fan. The easiest way to test it is to start the car, and flip the AC on. The fan should come on immediately.

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Cool stuff. And about the fan, the car was getting hot while I was cruising at freeway speeds higher than 45mph. So if it doesn't come on anyway after 45 like Al said, then I wouldn't think that would be the problem.

I got the new tstat in, so we'll see how it goes.

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Well I just put the old one in some boiling water and it only opened up a little bit, so hopefully that was the problem.

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I don't want to make a new thread every time something on my car dies lol.

Anyway, newest deal:

The check engine light came on last night, so I go to AZ and get the code. I had to rent the OBD II reader since they won't just come outside and read it for you anymore... Anyway, so they read it and it pulls up P0171 System too lean - Bank 1. I then had the guy listen to it (he's a certified mechanic, good guy) and he said the engine sounds strong, but it runs a tad rough at certain rpms. He said my spark plug wires were ok (They've been changed before, I don't know when, but they aren't original) so he said start with the simple stuff like changing the plugs. I won't be able to do that for a couple of days though.

So does this sound about right? Anything else you guys would suggest? The MAF is clean and I've Seafoamed everything.

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Isn't a Bank xxx lean condition usually due to an O2 sensor? Either that or maybe a vac. leak somewhere.

Do a quick search for that code, I'm sure it's been posted more than once and may have some good places to start looking. Good luck!

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Haha, you would think I've been here long enough to know to use the search button, but apparently not lol... Oops.

So yeah, I searched and found a few things it might be.

1. Bad O2, which is causing it to run lean.
2. Bad spark, which is causing it to run rich, but the comp is fooled into running lean. (I don't know why, but that came up a lot)
3. Vac leak somewhere.

I'm changing the spark plugs tomorrow and I will check for vac leaks. Is there any particular way to check for a vac leak? Any other suggestions?

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The way I check for vac leaks is to have the car running at idle, and spray carb cleaner around or at any vac. fitting or surface that has a gasket and see if the idle changes either up or down. If you find a spot that does this, then you've usually found the leak.

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Ok, so I changed the spark plugs, we'll see if that keeps that code away.

Now while I was changing the plugs, I noticed this little tube thing. I noticed the rubber fitting was all rotted and I think it may have been leaking. I wrapped it up with electrical tape since I haven't had time to go get another one. The question is, what is this and could it be one of the reasons my car sometimes "chugs" from 30 - 40mph under normal acceleration?

Anyway, here are the pics. It's the black tube in the center of the pic and the bend has a bunch of electrical tape around it.





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If I'm not mistaken that's one of the tubes for the PCV system. If the elbow was rotted it could definitely be a vacuum leak. If it was leaking, depending on how bad it was, it could conribute to your driveability issues. I don't know how well that tape is going to work though...

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Yeah, I feel crappy for doing that to my car, but I haven't had time to get the bend for it. I was hoping taping it up would at least help a little bit to see if it was causing any problems.

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Did you try spraying carb cleaner or WD-40 on that thing while the car was running?

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That is for the EVAP system. That soft line and the other three sections of it deteriorate 1000% time faster than any other soft line on the entire car. The hard plastic piece follows the cam cover, goes to another soft line to cross over to the shock tower, metal tubing to under the fender/into the inner fender, and 2 more sections of soft line are there also, and that is just the engine side, not including the tank side.

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I can affect the drivability of your car to a slight extent, but it can also throw an EVAP cel also.

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Ok, so I changed the plugs and the code hasn't come back...

But... Today I'm taking the girl home and when I stop in front of the house and set it in park so I can help her get her stuff out of my trunk, coolant starts spilling all over the ground... It came from the coolant cap and I noticed the engine was reading hot... So I shut it off and let it cool down, then I open it up and refill it, using about a gallon. Driving after that, it read normal the whole time home (20 miles). However, the low coolant light would come on every so often, even though I'm somewhat positive it's full.

Wtf? Also, I did have the ac on while cruising on the freeway. I never use the ac, but she was hot so I didn't really have a choice, so I said I would only put it on while we were at cruising speed. Could that have anything to do with it?

And on a side rant, I've had more problems with this 4.6 with 87,000 miles on it in 3 months than I had with my 3.8 with 120,000 miles in the 2 years I owned it. The only thing I ever replaced on that was the thermostat... What gives?!

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One simple thing could be radiator cap. It must hold pressure.
Did you make sure you got the thermostat in properly?

Where was that water coming from?
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The water came from the radiator cap. Could it be that I cross threaded it and it wasn't sealed? But if that's the case, why would it have happened today and not a week ago when I changed the plugs? Questions, questions...

I'm pretty sure I put the tstat in properly. I've done it once before on my other bird and there really isn't much to it, so I hope I didn't screw it up haha.

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The spring pressure on the cap could be low. Go get a new one. And check that you didn't crack the plastic.
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Would that have anything to do with the car getting too hot as well? Like I said, right when I saw the coolant coming out, I shut the car off and I noticed the temp guage was reading hot. Would it do that because it's losing coolant and there's nothing to cool it?

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