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i am following a few posts and have read the tech articles regarding the 5.4 swap and im thinking about swapping to a 99-02 lincoln navi motor... 5.4 DOHC anyways i had a few questions... who do you think that i should contact regarding long block buildup - port and polish of these heads, internals etc... i was considering a rather stout rebuild with forged internals and mild blueprinting of the block... a min compression of at least 10.5 to 1 at least a .500 lift cam with a duration somewhere in the neighborhood of 220 or so... thing is that id like to keep it local to minimize down time and i was expecting to hit the road with this new combo somewhere next year around april... and when i say local i was thinking the midwest area... so livernois definitely comes to mind so does VT engines or fox lake.... ive also thought about DSS but it would seem members here wouldnt recommend them... if i had bigtime $$ id probably end up going with Jim D'Amore at JDM or Sean Hyland at SHM or Modualar Powerhouse in the south or even Al papitto at Boss330racing since JDM and Boss330 is for sure a 5.4 specialist... however as i understand it, there is no 5.4 intake that can be used in a car application,unless i use special fab'd spacer plates to bolt a 4.6 cobra intake to a 5.4 engine... the one possibility that i havent thought of is going down under as i understand that the 5.4 is available in a few ford cars in australia... would any of those intakes be able to be used here stateside? then again if they made a fr500 style intake for the 5.4 id for sure pick that up except for 1 problem... the 2000 cobra r intake is made of unobtanium.... boo hoo any thoughts... sorry so long...
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which part the whole combo or the intake from an australian car? also i understand there is the sullivan aluminam intake, but im not sure if that will clear the alternator....
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which part the whole combo or the intake from an australian car? also i understand there is the sullivan aluminam intake, but im not sure if that will clear the alternator....

the whole engine project wont work.




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There refering to the width mostly. The hight is also an issue but a cowl hood can fix that. Chances are if you decide to do it, then you gonna have to re-work the front suspencion. Id say try it. And mock up the engine before you put money into it. Nothing is worse then having a badd-*** engine and nothing to put it in.

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better off w/ a DOHC 5.3L stroker.. lighter, it fits, and top end is proven to work in our cars.

But theres the other half; cost....

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it can be done it just barely fits...I saw some pics of someone who did the swap somewhere in this forum a while back might want to look around here? as for the sulivan intake I saw on thier website that theres an altenator relocation kit that they also sell that is nesecary.
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it can be done it just barely fits...I saw some pics of someone who did the swap somewhere in this forum a while back might want to look around here? as for the sulivan intake I saw on thier website that theres an altenator relocation kit that they also sell that is nesecary.
Yeah, it "fit" alright...after he chopped the crap out of the frame and shock towers. To my knowledge, no new information about that car has surfaced since.

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Yeah, it "fit" alright...after he chopped the crap out of the frame and shock towers. To my knowledge, no new information about that car has surfaced since.

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After looking at that all I can say is whatever you do don't hammer the throttle.. damn it "fits" but if you ever reved the engine say goodbye to your head and cam when it torks over... I suppose if you modified the tower and made a cross brace like you see on the mustangs it would work ok. I'll tell you one thing though think how tight out engine bay is now, now do that I would sure hate to have to work on the thing, you'd probably have to pull the engine if you ever had to do any head work.

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Not to mention how he would get the power brake booster, windshield wiper motor, and steering linkage to fit...

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this is where our friend the mustang II front end comes in to play. i'm guessing ur not planning on doing autocross style racing so you can get away with it. installing that will allow u to completely remove the shock towers
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Do it and plan it out , it'll be cheaper .

They said a 460 wouldn't fit.............hhhhmmmmm .
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if you plan on building the internals up why not just go with the dohc 4.6 and sleeve and stroke it to around 5.4? Then you wouldnt have to go thru all the trouble of making the engine fit! in the end it would be cheaper and you would get the same result!

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if you plan on building the internals up why not just go with the dohc 4.6 and sleeve and stroke it to around 5.4? Then you wouldnt have to go thru all the trouble of making the engine fit! in the end it would be cheaper and you would get the same result!
Unless they are planing on using a super or turbo charging system then the 5.4s extra girth might hold up better in the long run.

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why does this horse keep getting beaten? We gone over the 5.4 SOHC debate many times, the numbers arent impressive, neither are the track times - since they havent been posted. The DOHC is another issue, the only pics of one in a car.....are a frickin joke.




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Why not try something else? There are many proven engine options out there. If you're dead set on a 5.4, maybe you could try a new 3 valve engine? They are SOHC and shouldn't be as wide as the DOHC. Do the 3 valve 5.4s have the VVT, or is it just the 3V stang 4.6? I think that is one of the major hangups for people using the 3V motors. Just a thought, but I know I wouldn't relish the idea of hacking the front framerails to shoehorn in a Navi motor.

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They said a 460 wouldn't fit.............hhhhmmmmm .
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the 5.4 3v's have the same valvetrain as 4.6 3v. identical. they are also very low compared to 5.4 2v. 1" to 1.5" taller than mustang 4.6 2v.

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Instead off dealing with compadibility issues you could drop Fords 6.8 V10! Its basically a 5.4+2 cylinders. It has the same bolt pattern so you could bolt it right up. Thou ofcourse you would want to beef up the trany first.

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The computer for the new engines is in the engine bay . So a V-10 should be easy . A mustang here made 400Hp an 620FtLbs with just a engine tune on a dyno and a flat intake horn . 6.8L V-10 V.V.T 30Valves.........hhhmmmmm .
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