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3V into a MN12 does fit

3V into a MN12 does fit

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That's great, I've been wanting to see one in there since I have most of the top end laying around.

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Thats awesome.I think that is gonna be the new swap of the future.
Infamous get yours started and write an article on it already!

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interesting.....they even swapped the cluster from the GT into it......i wonder if they are using the GT's EEC to run the whole show
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is that the gt cluster? or is it scott's magic?


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interesting.....they even swapped the cluster from the GT into it......i wonder if they are using the GT's EEC to run the whole show

With the drive by wire issues I would imagine the GT EEC was installed also. I wonder if someone in the future will make a standard cable throttle body for that intake for swappers.
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is that the gt cluster? or is it scott's magic?
i was wondering the same thing myself, but look at the 4 guages between the speedo & tach...deffiantly from a s197

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add a cobra throttle body and there are no drive by wire issues. it isn't a simple matter to use the factory piece. it is doable. 'm sure one day one of you will put a 5.4 3v as it is lower than 4.6 3v by a bunch.


edit: i noticed thew harness is connected to the TB, so it looks like the 06 pcm harness is in place.

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how is a 5.4L going to be lower than a 4.6L? or are you talking about powerband?




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it is lower than a 4.6 3v. look at the intake runner where they peak, and also the intake exits at the front over the alternator. mine fits under the stock hood without hitting it when a stock 4.6 2v elbow is used. i don't have a number to satisfy you, but i own one and i have compared them side by side, and my intake elbow sits level with the runners. the point where the 4.6 3v is tall enough to matter is the front at the inlet. this intake is similar to the BA falcon unit with a small difference being location of the inlet and the height of the inlets. this motor is designed to fit into the BA falcon. with the inlet on mine being in the middle there is added hood clearance over the front entrance 4.6 3v. that's just how it is.

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Hmm...if the belts fit fine, maybe converting an 03 Cobra motor to the 3V GT belt layout could be a possibility?

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he will enjoy the broad torque band from VCT. the drive by wire throttle control and torque sensing limitations have long been overcome by tuning. most bolt on 4.6 3v's are in the 290-300 rwhp range.

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He won't be seeing those kind of numbers in a MN-12. Our drive trains have more losses than a Mustang's. We have more rotating mass with the longer driveshaft, automatic trans, and IRS...it sucks, but there's nothing you can do to really get around it. 290-300 is really optomistic for our layout, I'd definately expect less.

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that's no good.

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is that the gt cluster? or is it scott's magic?
I wish I could take credit for that cluster, but that definately looks like the Mustang cluster.

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I will be damned. Curious to know what that car makes. Definitely a Mustang Cluster though and I would be even more impressed if it has the "MyColor" feature as well.

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3v swap

Link failed at the top. Wondering if anyone has an updated link to it.

Been reading more about the 3v swap. Looks like a lot of work but even worse looks like its costing most Mustang guys $1500-2000 just to do the swap, not including the motor.

From what I've read big problem areas are:
Exhaust manifolds need adapters for 3v heads
Cobra throttle body so you can run the throttle cable (mustang is electronic)
Different intake tube and filter (must use your own MAF or lightning MAF with updated tune)
Cam locks for VCT
Something about the spark plug boots (I think on the 3v it is a longer reach)
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couple of custom brackets (power steering pump, throttle body)
tune of course

-I believe that was everything? I've read like 100 threads on it in the last week

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Why does PS need a custom bracket? There's plenty of clearance in the engine bay for the pump to fit at the "head mount". The FN10 I got my Machviator motor out of had the pump mounted in the 3V location, so it definitely fits these cars.

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Link failed at the top. Wondering if anyone has an updated link to it.

Been reading more about the 3v swap. Looks like a lot of work but even worse looks like its costing most Mustang guys $1500-2000 just to do the swap, not including the motor.

From what I've read big problem areas are:
Exhaust manifolds need adapters for 3v heads
Cobra throttle body so you can run the throttle cable (mustang is electronic)
Different intake tube and filter (must use your own MAF or lightning MAF with updated tune)
Cam locks for VCT
Something about the spark plug boots (I think on the 3v it is a longer reach)
return style fuel system
couple of custom brackets (power steering pump, throttle body)
tune of course

-I believe that was everything? I've read like 100 threads on it in the last week
You would actually run mn12 exhaust manifolds if you did a 3V swap?

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Why does PS need a custom bracket? There's plenty of clearance in the engine bay for the pump to fit at the "head mount". The FN10 I got my Machviator motor out of had the pump mounted in the 3V location, so it definitely fits these cars.
I will have to look at it. I didn't even think about it I just read that the mustang guys had trouble with it. I guess they do have less room than we do tho.

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You would actually run mn12 exhaust manifolds if you did a 3V swap?

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I will have to look at it. I didn't even think about it I just read that the mustang guys had trouble with it. I guess they do have less room than we do tho.



Lol I would at least get them ported! Give me yours Ill give you $50 bucks

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aw, thought it was a new thread.
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aw, thought it was a new thread.
you gave me an idea. Gonna bump up this thread every 6mo for the news to click it thinking the same thing lol
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yup too late...awaiting paypal payment now

or just save your $50 for when the other set gets done...might need it to bid for them
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I will have to look at it. I didn't even think about it I just read that the mustang guys had trouble with it. I guess they do have less room than we do tho.
Pfft, not in that area. It's more cramped on these. The mustang guys either are going out of their way for the factory type fitment or their hydroboost lines end up too long. Not really an issue with these cars.

Plus, there's a HUGE benefit to using that pump arrangement, in particular on this chassis. Ever look at the oil filter arrangement?


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Wow didn't even notice that the oil filter was that far forward.I wish there was someone on here that has completed this swap that would have some insight on these little things. Glad you pointed that out tho Matt.

I think sometime later today or tomorrow I will start pricing the extra parts together and see if its really going to cost $1500 just for the swap. (Dont get your panties in a bunch just because I'm doing a little reading doesn't mean I'm swaping this motor anytime soon)

Wish these 3v's were plug and play like the PI motors are!!

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