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GT Motor Question

As stated in previous threads the bird is grounded with a broken rod. My question is, I dont have the cash to do a swap I want (Explorer or PI).

However I do have the option to pick up a 96 GT Motor from a friend for about $250 with only 47,000 miles on it. (Yes that would be doing me a favor)

Would this motor fit until I can do a swap in the spring.

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yup, its pretty much the same if not the exact same as the 96/97 birds. i'm sure there's a few minor differances
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Unless you are going to swap your intake to the GT motor you will have to do the things like EGR throttle Cruise, etc... But nothing that hasn't been done before.

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i dont know the answer but you can look though this :
http://forums.tccoa.com/showthread.php?t=89211
http://forums.tccoa.com/showthread.php?t=82551
http://forums.tccoa.com/showthread.p...ight=gt+engine

best info i found was quoted from 3rd link:

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Originally Posted by girdnerg
1st of all, I'm assuming that your GT motor is the Aluminum PI engine.

I've done the all Aluminum Explorer swap with Mustang GT intake (making it the same as a GT) and would be more than happy to talk/write you through it.

Here's a list just to let you know what you will need (so you can start hitting the salvage yards or posting in the wanted section). Just disregard the explorer stuff if it doesn't pertain to your GT engine:

96/97 tbird:
fuel rails with FPR
throttle cable
throttle cable bracket
forward fuel lines (from filter to rails)
EGR tube (the explorer one works if your engine comes with one)

PI parts:
Mustang PI intake with updated cross-over (the explorer one will work, but requires some t-fittings and re-routing the heaterhose)
intake gaskets
PI engine's Crank Position timing wheel
oil filter/lower rad hose housing gasket (I mocked up both 95 and 02, and the 02 model sealed the best)
your choice of torque converter, Flexplate, and hardware (might as well with the engine out)

95 tbird parts I replaced just to be safe:
front cover gaskets (3 parts)
front cover crank seal
valve cover gaskets
oil pan gasket
exhaust manifold gaskets
t-stat housing o-ring
fuel injector o-rings
oil pick-up tube o-ring
2 front 02 sensors

fuel filter, oil filter, mobil 1 oil, Mercon V, anti-freeze

will reuse from 95:
Alternator bracket (can make the 95 work or just don't use one)
front cover
valve covers
oil pan
oil pick-up tube
dipstick
coil packs, new plugs and wires
fuel injectors
sensors
A/C compressor
alt
PS pump
oil filer adapter
Exhaust Manifolds

other (not mandatory):
solid rubber motor mounts (mine were busted and leaking anyway)
MAF of your choice
180* t-stat
one stage colder plugs
tune (if you use all the tbird sensors, it will run just fine without a tune, but not much better than the stock motor)

Wiring (thanks to timb):
Note this is based on using the explorer EGR flow sensor (alot smaller than the 95 version) and Explorer EEC Head temp sensor rather than the tbird water temp sensor (I used the tbird water sensor). If you choose to use the tbird sensors then the only explorer wiring conector you will need is the IAC and the other ones can just be lengthened to fit. I am listing all the wires that will need to be either lengthened or spliced.

Tbird Explorer

IAC
White/Blue White/Blue
Red/ Purple/White

TPS Stays the same just needs lengthened

EGR Flow sensor Same wire colors whether Tbird or explorer is used however explorer requires connector from explorer harness

EGR Vacuum regulator Stays same needs lengthening

EEC Engine temp (I used the tbird water sensor instead of this)
Green/Red Green/Yellow
Gray/Red Tan/Red

You will need to strip the wiring sheath off the harness starting on the drivers side rear of the motor forward to get access to the wires then you can just rewrap them.

That's all everything else can be rerouted....not too bad.

If you have the SATC, I also have pics of the fix for the SATC sensor that won't let the heater come on until the water is warmed up.

I'm not really close to you, but at least we are in the same State. I'm 30 miles east of Muskogee.

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96/97 tbird:
throttle cable
throttle cable bracket (maybe, don't know the GT setup)
forward fuel lines (from filter to rails)
EGR tube (don't have a clue if the GT one will work or not)
intake tube from MAF to TB

Other than that, you will have to do some wiring/pigtail changes and cut the end off the cruise cable and maybe do some bracket mods for it also. Not sure if you would have to do anything with the coolant line under the intake. Pretty sure the GT fuel rails and FPR would work. Going with the plastic NPI intake would gain some power and the fuel and throttle mods would then be ready for a PI swap.

Cheapest and easiest would be to do like 95 DD said and to swap over your 95 intake. If you go this route, while you have the intake off, I would highly recommend cleaning all the EGR passages, valve and anything else that's a pain to do with that intake on the car.

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Originally Posted by Bgarret08
As stated in previous threads the bird is grounded with a broken rod. My question is, I dont have the cash to do a swap I want (Explorer or PI).

However I do have the option to pick up a 96 GT Motor from a friend for about $250 with only 47,000 miles on it. (Yes that would be doing me a favor)

Would this motor fit until I can do a swap in the spring.

Thanks


If you wanted I would trade a pair of Windsor PI cams for your blown engine, I could use some of the spare parts on it (like the timing cover) Then you only need a PI intake and that 96 motor will be close enough to a PI that it probably won't matter anymore. I am local in Orlando as well.
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