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Using an M5RE with a 4.6L? I WANT A 5-SPD 4.6!!!

Hello, I'm a guy from SCCOA. My Thunderbird SC just blew the f*ck up, and so now I'm going to buy a 94 LX 4.6 (ABS pkg) and I want to swap over my 5-speed because as we all know, there are NO 5-speed V8 tbirds, and I want one.
How can I use my M5RE tranny (and therefore my LSD rearend, unless the 4.6L already has a limited slip) and retain my 5-speed capability?

Can I buy a T-5 from a mustang and then retain the d/s and use the clutch master cylinder/pedal assembly?

How can I get 5-speed goodness out of my 4.6?

Basically, I am going to try to take everything I can off of my SC and put it onto my V8 4.6L.

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I would rebuild the tranny you got to handle rough driving. It would probally be a whole lot easier and you would save your money concidering that you dont have to cut the drivshaft to meet the t-5 or whatever and you wont need a cluch, bellhouseing, ect Or just ask Darrin the tranny man. You would most likly find him in the drivtrain section. l8ter and good luck

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At the very least you'd need a custom bellhousing. You might get away with using your SC's driveshaft. Personally I don't think the M5R2 isn't worth all that trouble. There are better, cheaper, easier transmissions to install.




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I remember reading about a guy that used the M5R2 with a 4.6. Try doing a search for it here.

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there are NO 5-speed V8 tbirds, and I want one.
well me and mark both have one well mark has a cat but there around

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It is possible to use an M5R2 trans on a 4.6, however it isn't as easy as just bolting it up. What you need to do is get a trans out of a 5-speed F150 with a 4.6/5.4, and you need to build the internals of the M5R2 into the case from the truck trans, and use the tailshaft from the M5R2 so that the shifter will be in the right place. The other issue to deal with doing the swap that way is that the truck trans I think uses a cable for the speedo, so you have to swap to a different type of instrument cluster for the speedo/odo to work, or find a way of adapting the correct speed sensor to the truck trans.

On the other hand, a T45 swap will bolt right up to the 4.6, but it puts the shifter about 5" forward of where it should be, and you also have to make a hydraulic system to work the clutch because the mustang uses a cable and there is no room under the tbird dash for a mustang pedal. Also with the T45 swap, you will need to get the right slip yoke for the trans, and you need a driveshaft that is 55.5" long. Crown vic and aerostar van driveshafts are the right length, and the aerostar shaft is aluminum. Only thing with the aerostar shaft is you might have clearance problems with the heat shielding on the fuel tank cause the shaft is wider than the stock one, but I don't know for sure one way or the other since I haven't tried it.

Also in both instances, you will need a computer tune to turn off the auto trans controls. I did my T45 swap for $1500 and used an SC pedal and master cylinder with a slave from a chevy S10 and a custom bracket to bolt the slave to the side of the mustang trans to work on the stock mustang clutch fork.

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holy bejesus, man, I wanted to use as much as I could off my now-dead SC to fix up an LX.

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It is possible to use an M5R2 trans on a 4.6, however it isn't as easy as just bolting it up. What you need to do is get a trans out of a 5-speed
the early 4.6L trucks came with the M5R2 trans... So basiclly swap over sychros (or least put in New fiber ones ) , Tailshaft housing, Trans top cover (holds the shift forks or whatever) and all related shifter parts... and you have a 4.6L M5R2 that'll bolt in..

Bah don't buy a 4.6L car, get a 5.0L car... you get rid of so many hassles.. since everything 5spd related out of the SC will bolt right on in, Sans Flywheel, untill you have it rebalanced (or F150 flywheel and starter your choice)
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i agree the 5.0 car would be a much better car for your plans with what you already have, also why not do a 5.0 conversion on the sc?

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well, i let the SC go.
I'm buying domestic's old car to get around in. i don't hear of the police blowing up the 4.6s, so hopefully i wont blow it up too.

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