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post #1 of 9 (permalink) Old 11-07-2006, 07:34 PM Thread Starter
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Cobra + 3V = Easier install?

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Hmm...if the belts fit fine, maybe converting an 03 Cobra motor to the 3V GT belt layout could be a possibility?

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Back in the thread about the 3v stang engine in the 'Bird, this was brought up. Would the front cover and such even fit? Where would this relocate the alt to even if it was a possibility? I just wanted to thrash this idea around some more, so all comments are welcome... When the time comes, I'm gonna make this work no matter what (03-4 Cobra w/ whipple), just want to look at the options.

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post #2 of 9 (permalink) Old 11-07-2006, 07:51 PM
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i'm pretty sure the alternator could be relocated, depending on what other accessories you plan to keep. you could do something like this:

http://www.sullivanperformance.com/Y...electrical.htm

careful man, i've seen a couple 3 valve threads spin waaaay out of control in the last week.

whatever you end up doing, i'm in complete support.
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Well, this shouldnt spin outta control, I dont wanna use a 3v. Just find the easiest way to get the motor in the car.

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Delete the A/C and put the alternator over there with a custom bracket or find a place to flip it around in the belt layout (like the AED). I was looking at the A/C delete option pretty hard with the 03 swap. It would have given me a lot more room and better cooling and the car was going to see limited driving.

From my old measurements I think you might be able to notch the inner rail and weld in plates to support it. I can't recall if there was going to be an issue with front subframe bolt access, but I know something stopped me from going that route.

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03 cobra motor fits fine in the fn-10/mn-12 platform just fine. Modify the top alt bracket and it's a go.

No need to relocate anything except the oil filter, but that's a no brainer with the livernois adapter.

My motor ready to go in:



It's in ...it's in ...

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What is the issue with the fuel system? Something about the returnless style? Also, how much room do you have when you modify the upper brakcet? I will be using this car to it's full potential, and dont want any flex to be a problem either. Mad1stgen... did you just build the top end of your mark motor? I know you're using the mark computer... would it be so easy to just swap the mark computer into a bird?

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I WILL be keeping the a/c... if I can get it working again.

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Back to the thing at hand though, would the 3v FEAD system work?

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'13 Mustang GT Premium 5.0L V8, Auto, Brembo, Black - Daily Dark Horse
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Ha! So the alternator did clear! That's awesome! All this time, I thought that it wouldn't fit around the k-member... Maybe I should have gone with one of those instead of the route I took afterall? I originally brought up that thread to see about the viablility of taking the 3v's alternator and belt layout and swapping it to the front cover of the 03-04 Cobra motor. The cost on these shortblocks is starting to drop, and it's a good way to get a DOHC powerhouse that's already got forged guts from the factory. I wasn't really interested in the Eaton, since the shortblock is prime for a Vortech that would clear the stock hood, but if the Eaton was there, that's great too though!

Anyways, what's wrong with the fuel system? Can't you just use the fuel rails from a 96-97 style bird?

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