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UH OH!! water behind timing cover??

i just went to go to lunch and i noticed that there was a puddle under my car. i back the car up and see it is antifreeze. so i open the hood and look around and i see antifreeze sitting in one of the nooks in the timing cover. at first i thought it was the heater hose leaking and dripping down. so i started the car and i go look. no water coming from the heater hose, but is slowly trickling down and it looks like it's coming from behind the cover. any ideas or anyone know wtf is wrong this time......???
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could be the legendary head gaskets.....

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i f-n hope not. i just put this engine in because of that. i dont think it is tho, doesn't run like it, and no milkshake oil/white smoke. still runs strong, so what gives? maybe timing cover gasket?
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Coolant doesn't run in the timing cover at all. Closest thing to it are heads, and possibly a heater hose. That close to the front of the engine, possibly the water pump, or a radiator hose.

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def. not hoses could be the pump, because i had a clutch fan on there when my elec. fan went out. was just a touch out of balance and now the shaft is slightly warped. culprit?? i hope so because water pump= a lot easier then hg's.
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approx. how much is a timing cover and how hard is that job? i think i'll just replace the cover AND the pump and call it a day.
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Coolant doesn't run in the timing cover at all. Closest thing to it are heads, and possibly a heater hose. That close to the front of the engine, possibly the water pump, or a radiator hose.
well, coolant passes through the holes in the timing cover. how else is it going to get to the water pump?

sounds like the cover isnt sealed all the way, maybe an area where not enough rtv was applied? either that or the cover has cracked. just my .02.

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approx. how much is a timing cover and how hard is that job? i think i'll just replace the cover AND the pump and call it a day.
i have a timing cover that's painted bright silver. ill sell it to you cheap.

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honestly, i don't care what color it is. my eng. bay isn't show quality so it doesn't matter to me. how much work is involved with removing it? obviously the w/p has to go, but after that? thanks for the help.


btw, is it ok to run it like this, as long as i keep the coolant up?(until i fix it)
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getting to it is the tough part. part of the wp/timing cover shares studs with a black bracket that bolts to the ps/alternator bracket. the ps/alternator/bracket can be unbolted in one big piece. make note of where each fastener goes. grab a haynes manual to help you out.

i wouldnt keep driving the car. the cooling system is pressurized and can create bigger leaks. find a buddy that knows what he is doing to help you out.

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i'm mechanically inclined enough (15T, U.S. Army), but i've never gone past the w/p on this car (taken off p/s pump MANY times) well, other than pulling the entire engine. i just wanted to see if it was overly complicated as to set aside the proper amount of time. i'll probably just go to a j/y and get one. i'm not trying to be pretty. you think the '97 timing cover is the same as the ones prior?
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it just your timming cover gasket mine did that after I did my heads turns out the cover might be warped so I just used a s-load or rtv on it hasn't leaked since

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better to do that while it's on the car? i think i'm gonna change it, i don't like rigged up shi* on my car. no offense
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most water pumps have a weep hole that will start to seep coolant once the pump seals start to fail

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better to do that while it's on the car? i think i'm gonna change it, i don't like rigged up shi* on my car. no offense
I changed the gasket and it still leaked thats why I did it this way

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he never said inside of the timing cover

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yeah not inside, behind, or at least it looks like it's behind it. not the pump, as that would be leaking from under the pump. it's def farther back
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sounds like the cover isnt sealed all the way
I'm with Mike on this one. My 97 was recalled to have the timing cover resealed.

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well, even if you dont need a pretty cover, buying mine would save you the gas and headache of hunting for one at a boneyard. mine is off the car and sitting there calling your name

i believe the covers are the same, but mine would be more similar to yours (89-95 had distributors, 96-97 had cam sensors).

i wouldnt add more rtv. remove it and reseal with a new gasket and rtv. torque to spec!

the weep hole is on the bottom of our pumps. water pump sounds ok given the location of the leak. can you get pics of the leak?

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well i just took the dist. from the 94 engine and stuck it where the coil packs were on the 97 and all is good. i still have the old engine in the backyard. think the timing cover will work on this one? i'll see if i can get a pic

oh, btw do you think the shaft of the w/p will be a problem? it's not too bad but does make the pulley wobble just a bit.
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you can see if they are the same. check all over for any differences.

is the shaft warped, or is the mounting flange bent?

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is there any way you can post a front pic of the cover you have so i can see if the 94 one will work?? i would GREATLY appreciate it if you could.

mounting flange? as in the pump itself? no, it's the shaft or the plate that the pulley bolts to. it's only maybe an 1/8 inch out. just enough to notice the pulley wobble
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i dont have a pic now, but im pretty sure they are the same. maybe someone else can confirm this...

the mounting flange is what the pulley bolts to. are any other pullies wobbling?

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no, just the one. i think it may be the flange then, because when i had the pulley off i spun it by hand and it looked like it was bent and not the shaft. i just didnt think 1/4 steel would warp...
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I`m sure its the water pump , I had the same problem , at first I didn`t think W/P because the hole on top of the pump was dry , but after I took the pump out I realized the weep hole is under , and that`s what was leaking ,
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oh, btw do you think the shaft of the w/p will be a problem? it's not too bad but does make the pulley wobble just a bit.
JC by what you just said I am going to agree with 70Bird that you need a new waterpump. If your shaft wobbles enough to notice, your bearing is going out and this is almost always the cause of waterpump failure.

It wouldn't hurt to pull the timing cover off and replace the gasket and reseal it while you are there but it sounds like a waterpump from what you have been saying.
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i think it's both now that i just looked at it again. as i said above, i'll get a new cover, change the gasket, new pump and drive on!! thanks for the help guys.
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well here's an update... got the new pump, and the gasket for the cover. couldn't find a j/y cover this morning so i'll just check mine over really good and maybe it'll work. anyways, i looked at the gasket kit and HOLY CRAP there are a lot of pieces in there. do i need to replace ALL of them? i really wasn't expecting that. anyone know?? thanks
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so do i need to change all of those pieces? this is a newly rebuilt (less than 20k) engine. help is appreciated
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ok, so i got all the way to the cover. the hayne's book says to drop the oil pan. has anyone had to do this before and can give me some pointers?
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