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How much to replace the engine?

Ballpark figure, how much should paying someone to replace this engine with either a used or rebuilt 3.8? If possible, the two prices would be appreciated. Thanks.

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i couple hundred for the engine maybe 500 to do the swap

hunts point auto parts used to give i think up to a 5 yr warranty on used motors

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Who would I take it to to do the swap for only 500? Would I be able to put the newer engine with the headgasket problem solved without any sort of major issue?

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shop around my cousin did it for me as his shop for $300 last time in my tbird he told me im not doing it for under $500 again

I can give you the # if you want to call tomorrow

they are on the westchester county/bronx border

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That wouldn't be too bad, I'm in bayside now, the throgs neck is like 1/8 mile from my apartment. I'm going to wait and see what this other guy can do as far as price. I'll leave your cousin in mind though. Thanks.

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ya this guy is very reasonable and does very good work hes just always very busy since people know that

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Who would I take it to to do the swap for only 500? Would I be able to put the newer engine with the headgasket problem solved without any sort of major issue?
you have the 94 right? i do too and when my hg's went i swapped in a 97 3.8 with the better hg's and it was freshly rebuilt by ford. i got it for $550 at a j/y and put it in myself. you can ask questions if you have them. i may still remember.

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you have the 94 right? i do too and when my hg's went i swapped in a 97 3.8 with the better hg's and it was freshly rebuilt by ford. i got it for $550 at a j/y and put it in myself. you can ask questions if you have them. i may still remember.
what kind of modifications did you have to do to get get 97 to work. a 97 engine would be the best bet for me.

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go to ez pull look for 97 engine get it for $90 then get it rebuilt

or go on car-part.com..... this is a search for 97 tbird v6 in all of NY the one for $300 seems like the best deal


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Ford Thunderbird (3.8L, VIN 4)- 70K P7302 $700 2060 Auto Parts Inc. USA-NY(Buffalo) 1-800-955-7445

1997
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Ford Thunderbird (3.8L, VIN 4)- 77K RAN NICE 3564 $600.27 Hardy's Auto Parts LLC USA-NY(Bernhard-Bay) 1-800-404-2880

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Ford Thunderbird T-47631 159,381 B 5013 $550 Elite Auto Parts Inc. USA-NY(Lindenhurst) Request_Quote 1-631-226-1003

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Mercury Cougar needs L/R exhaust manifolds 112,140 00035112 $495 PRP - A and P Auto Parts USA-NY(Cicero) E-mail 1-800-962-7222

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Ford Thunderbird -RUNS GOOD 89K ME6247 $300 NY Engines USA-NY(Deer-Park) E-mail 1-800-510-7676


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Ford Thunderbird RUNS OK,SLIGHT LIFTER,GD COMP. 150,000 A A04327 $300 A-Automotive Inc. USA-NY(Mayville) E-mail 1-716-753-2367/1-800-873-2886

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Ford Thunderbird 6-232 (3.8L, VIN 4)- ME6247 $Call NY Engines USA-NY(Deer-Park) E-mail 1-800-510-7676

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Ford Thunderbird 6-232 (3.8L, VIN 4)- ME6505 $Call NY Engines USA-NY(Deer-Park) E-mail 1-800-510-7676

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Ford Thunderbird LX,3.8,ATOD p3616 $Call Mid Island Auto Parts, Inc. USA-NY(Deer-Park) E-mail 1-800-414-9726

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Ford Thunderbird 3.8 AT PARTS ONLY,PARTS ONLY,PARTS 0 A 3270 $Call Act Auto Wrecking USA-NY(Lindenhurst) E-mail 1-631-225-5865

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what kind of modifications did you have to do to get get 97 to work. a 97 engine would be the best bet for me.
first off, you'll need the wiring harness from the old engine. you'll be putting this on the new engine. i dunno if you're gonna pull the trans too, but i didn't. if you leave the trans it's a good idea to pull off the t/c and change the front seal. i also put in the stock 97 shorty headers. if you choose to do this, you will have to do some exhaust work to get them to line up. i just cut off my down tubes in front of the resonator. you can use the 94 manifolds and avoid this. also the t-stat housing will be different. you can use either the shorter one on the 97 (and have to get a hose) or you can use the 94 one with the tube and use the old rad hose. the water pumps are also different so if you ever need one be sure to say "97 3.8" because the 94 will not work. the iat sensor on the back of the 94 intake isn't there on the 97 so you'll want to extend the wires for that long enough to reach the airbox (i just figured this out and have to splice between the engine and firewall....small space) i got an airbox from a 94 4.6 that has the IAT in the box. umm....i can't think of anything else right off....i used the 94 upper intake (the black one) just cuz i thought it looked better. if you can think of anything i didn't cover, ask away!

also there is a crank sensor on the 97 behind the harmonic balancer. just leave it unplugged as it has no wire in the 94 harness and you wont need it anyways if you use the distributor from the 94. i just dropped in the distributor off the old engine to avoid the whole DIS crap. works fine.

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Now that you mention the distributor, my 3.8 has DIS already, so does that save me from the wiring harness swap?

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hmm, your 94 had DIS already? you're still going to have to swap the harness because the big main plug is different from 94 to 97. at least mine was. your's might be the same. if they are, no need to swap.

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You'll have no problem with the 97 engine, especially with the DIS you have already. I'm not sure if there are any differences with the sensors between the 2 different model years, but if they different are just swap in your old ones. Locations should be the same. I really don't think you have to worry about the harness at all, plug and play!

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the 97 engine i got had one huge plug on the harness. my 94 had 2 smaller plugs hence my need to swap harness's. if yours are the same, that saves you some time.

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Between the years, things did change. Nearly all the connectors to the sensors changed to be easier to remove. The locations are essentially identical for all the sensors on the engine with the exception of the air charge temp sensor. In earlier engines it was located in an intake manifold runner and in later engines was mounted in the air intake box. That said, you can't use the sensors or harness from a 96/97 engine in an earlier engine not only due to the differences in connectors but also the difference in the PCM. 96/97 was EEC-V (OBDII) while the earlier engines are EEC-IV (OBDI).

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Nice... this is looking like an easy swap lucky for California emissions.... now just to find someone who wants to do it...pnyklr... PM me with a price from your cousin if you will.

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i would do it but dont wanna take the trip to NY.... well unless you're buying the ticket...

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i found a 93 cougar 3.8 w/ 60,xxx miles for $300. about 15-20,xxx later the hg's blew. so i luckily still had the original motor w/ new heads so the hg fix was real cheap. anyways i wish ida just did the 5.0 carbed swap instead. now i gotta wait.

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