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my motor is weak & need b replaced

my FREE 1994 thunderbird 3.8 auto lx is on some high miles... the odometer STOPPED at 195,435.7 OVER a year ago... so i could have over 250,000 on stock motor........wow... its a nice car handles great, comfortable, looks good... just slow... i've got a few grand saved up & since the car was free.. ( graduation present ) i want to replace the motor with something with a lot more power, lots more tq... im 23, have a heavy foot, have mechanical skills, knowledge of fixing cars... what can i swap in?? what should i do to tranny.. i have a f150 with a 5spd so i kinda want to stay with the auto to have a break form daily driver of the truck...must stay under $5698.00 thanx
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Well I have seen some guys swap in the splitport V6 motor.Might want to research that alittle.

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your in NJ........im in buffalo, ny. i have a 4.6L just under 100,000 miles. come get it, $250.00. plenty of cash leftover to do whatever you want with it, lol
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Hell, you could still put in another 3.8 and you wouldn't ahve to worry about wiring issues. Get a "modified V6 3.8" with all the performance stuff installed already. This would keep it original also! Check out supersixmotorsports, V6 power.net. and a few others. It's probably cheaper than swapping in a V8.

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what would it take or would it be possible to swap in a terminator motor & tranny??
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Hell, just throw in a 429 Cobra 2x4bbls, supercharger, etc

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I Only Have A Few Grand & Want It As Easy As Possible & Make As Much Power As I Can For What I Have
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Here's the deal,, the easiest would be swap in a 99+ 3.8 or 4.2L v6 engine. Either the 3.8 from a Mustang or the 4.2L from a F-150 (harder to find) each will give yah roughly 200HP as compared to your factory 140HP

They will in effect bolt right in,, with the mustang engine being the easiest,, but slilghtly less power them the 4.2L

any more power and your stock trans & axles & rear become a issue amongst everything else.

You can find those 3.8L mustang engine from 300-600 with low miles at almost any junkyard in the country.

There will be some minor fabrication and parts swapping but you should be able to spend no more then 1000 to get it all done. and that would include new parts like water pump, oil, new mounts, etc etc..
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terminator motor could be done, but not for $6K.

If you have a complete donor car, it wouldn't be too difficult to swap in either a 5.0 or 4.6.

An SC motor would also be possible, but more of a headache than its worth.

A splitport 3.8 (or 4.2) would be a direct drop in replacement, minimal wiring harness modification, and would bring you up to almost 200hp. Add a vortech to that, and you will have a mean sleeper, until you grenade your trans, pencil-thin axles, and weak 7.5" diff. If I were in your position, I would go the splitport route as it is the cheapest, easiest, gets similar performance to a 5.0/4.6NPI, and won't require replacing the entire drivetrain.

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where can i find a splitport 3.8? how much? what do i need to make it happen? is there an article somewhere like the sticky for the 4.2?
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you can find it in any 99-04 V6 mustang. When you pull the motor, get the entire wirning harness with it just to make sure you have all the right pigtails to adapt to your tbird harness. Also, if I remember correctly, to keep the distributer you will need an intake from a van, which means you will also need a cowl hood to clear. As far as a writeup goes, it will be exactly the same as the 4.2 splitport swap, so follow that.

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you can find it in any 99-04 V6 mustang. When you pull the motor, get the entire wirning harness with it just to make sure you have all the right pigtails to adapt to your tbird harness. Also, if I remember correctly, to keep the distributer you will need an intake from a van, which means you will also need a cowl hood to clear. As far as a writeup goes, it will be exactly the same as the 4.2 splitport swap, so follow that.
He can use his existing wiring and I believe the 1994 he has is a DIS car??

even if it has a dizzy he can use the mustang intake,, but get a fuel rail from a 2001 E-150 van and reverse it and it plugs right in to the stock fuel lines. need to make 2 like brackets but easy stuff.

you can run your original 14lb injectors and not need to mess with the computer.
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Some of the 94s were DIS, and some weren't. Basically the cali emissions cars got the DIS, and the federal cars still had a distributer. Depending on where his car originated, he might have DIS.

He doesn't need to modify the harness at all for the splitport swap? No sensors are different, or in different locations or anything like that? I've never done the swap, but I just assumed you would have to change a couple things. If not, that just makes it even easier.

That's good to know about the van fuel rail and mustang intake clearing the distributer.

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would a stang 5spd also swap in?? is there anyone near nj that could do the swap? also would a J-mod be in order if i kept it auto?
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Stang 5-speed could be swapped in, but it would require extensive modification. Search for T45 swap to get an idea. The V6 stang actually uses a T5, not a T45, but the swap is the same for both trannies. If you want a 5-speed, get an M5R2 out of an SC. That will bolt right in, and it actually a stronger trans.

As for someone in NJ to do the swap, I could do it for you. Just let me know what you decide on, and we can figure something out from there.

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hell, with 5000 being the limit you could do a lot. I'd say buy a wrecked mark viii and swap that motor/tranny/driveshaft/rear differential in there.

Or get a 5.0 and put a blower on it. The 5.0 would still be able to use your current tranny (i think). Then again, the tranny prob ably has 200+ miles too.

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Yeah with 5K he could pick up an entire wrecked XR7 cougar or a V8 T-Bird from a salvage yard and do the entire swap from one of those cars, and still have plenty of cash left over to do some bolt on work.

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5 k.... to bee honset i was thinking about selling the bird & buying this cougar down the road for $2100.. its a 1968 with a 351c & 5speed... just needs a new trunk floor..(rusted out) runs & drives & sounds mean... idk... dont want to sell car then uncle be all mad at me.. he's like my dad ( my real dad died 6 years ago in car accident) so i wouldnt want to make him feel bad by giving car up... idk...dude madmikeyL, u could do splitport 3.8 swap?? i'd need you to find motor, install in car, & was thinking some performance mods wile im there, j mod tranny, intake, headers, exaust, what would u charge for the work with stock splitport?? & could u pull tranny & do j-mod? how much when all said & done???
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I'll do a jmod for $100 plus parts.

I don't know exactly how much I would charge to do a splitport swap since I haven't done it before and I don't know exactly how much time it would take me. Labor would definitely be under $1000, but I don't know exactly how much. I would work with you though and keep it reasonable since I would enjoy a swap like that too. I'll see what I can find for you in terms of a motor. Headers would be nice, but expensive. I have a set of SC manifolds I could put on it for you, which would flow more than enough for a stock splitport. Where in NJ are you? Maybe we can meet up sometime and figure out exactly what you would want to do.

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Sorry to hear that man.. and I understand a lot of people toss the whole "buy a V8" car out there, but sometimes the sentimental value of a vehicle is a bit more important than performance. A split port 3.8 would net you a good horsepower gain over the original motor that came in yours. I highly recommend diggin through some of the old bone yards just to see what options are out there. A 351W swap is pretty intense, but a 4.6 upgrade wouldn't be a bad upgrade. Plus the aftermarket is a lot more forgiving for the V8 owner than it is for the 3.8 crowd. Not only that, you'll get a nice rumble that a V6 can't produce, and the fuel economy difference isn't that much. I get about the same mileage from my Mustang V6 that a 4.6 Mustang gets when just cruising. Not only that.. you have the advantage of paying V6 insurance while owning a V8 since the insurance co doesn't look under your hood to see what you've tossed in there.. all they care about is the vin on your dash. Best of luck whatever route you end up taking. Just remember, if it means this much to you now, it will mean even more in the future, take care of it and make it the machine you want it to be.

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