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mystery car part photo , please help ID



95 thunderbird

the black parts are rubber and maybe connect to something. the white part has letters "ENG" on it. its from passenger side
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EVAP control solenoid, goes under the fender, below the battery to the EVAP canister .. routed to the hard metal line that comes up the shock tower on the passenger side.
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amazing you knew that, i found one end of what i think is the "hard metal line" ad its attached to the fender at one point it looks like.

would this part being broke effect performance in anyway as described in my other thread?
>http://forums.tccoa.com/showthread.php?t=147873

here, or if you had any ideas id really appreciate the input

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was doing some reading and some people report similar problems when this part goes bad and disabling it seems to help, is there a way to test this?

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If it was just dangling like that, definitely. The other end of it is connected directly to the intake manifold, which means you have a vacuum leak. Mike Shumard nailed it in his post in that thread

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If it was hit on Pass side,maybe the canister and Vac lines were damaged?

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Yeah, plug up the vacuum line to get rid of the vacuum leak and see if it runs better.
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Yeah, plug up the vacuum line to get rid of the vacuum leak and see if it runs better.
i was hit on the driver side though.. And by canister is he referring to #6 in the diagram?

which specific vac lines do i plug? the two at the top of the item shown in the photo?
the only line i can find is by the front fender on the passenger side.



this is a metal line i found near passenger side front bumper i was mentioning. Which is #2 according to diagram ? with #3 being the bumper


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i was hit on the driver side though.. And by canister is he referring to #6 in the diagram?

which specific vac lines do i plug? the two at the top of the item shown in the photo?
the only line i can find is by the front fender on the passenger side.

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this is a metal line i found near passenger side front bumper i was mentioning. Which is #2 according to diagram ? with #3 being the bumper
Yes, Canister is #6 ... your broken lines are caused by dry rot from age, not from an impact although an imptact could have shook them loose if they were barely staying together.

The plastic line is attached to the metal line #9 in one photo, #10 in another. Plug it off at #11 or #1 in View Z
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Yes, Canister is #6 ... your broken lines are caused by dry rot from age, not from an impact.

The plastic line is attached to the metal line #9 in one photo, #10 in another. Plug it off at #11 or #1 in View Z
just so i know orientation what i have in my hand is infact #2? and #11/#1 are on top of the engine?

what should it plug it off with? Do i need to do anything with the T shaped item with the rubber dry rot ?




this is the male connector [circled in red] to the hose that is broken that leads to #2 in the diagram [ think the diagram is of a V8 btw]

i put a tree branch to fit the hole after taking off the hose, while the car idles better in park, i still have the same stumbling with going from a stop to acceleration problem.

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evap canister one hose missing? or is it just used to out put air?

t shaped hose seems to be the evap canister purge valve [#4 in diagram]
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just so i know orientation what i have in my hand is infact #2? and #11/#1 are on top of the engine?

what should it plug it off with? Do i need to do anything with the T shaped item with the rubber dry rot ?


this is the male connector [circled in red] to the hose that is broken that leads to #2 in the diagram [ think the diagram is of a V8 btw]

i put a tree branch to fit the hole after taking off the hose, while the car idles better in park, i still have the same stumbling with going from a stop to acceleration problem.
Yeah .. yours will be slightly different from the diagram since its a V6 .. if the hose from the metal line goes to that T you are pointing at, yes .. plug it up there ( not with a stick, get a rubber cap of some type that fits snugly over it .. ) .. or repair the line in question, get a new piece of rubber hose, make sure the rubber is good from that T, all the way back down to under the fender to the canister. You'll want to install the purge valve in-line between the plastic hose and the canister with new hose. Make sure where the metal line on the inner fender to the plastic hose to the canister has a good piece of rubber hose between them, replace the hose while you are at it.

The extra port on the T on top of the canister is present on some cars, not all. It doesnt go to anything so dont worry about it. The canister vent is the circle part on top.
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TY again, ill try some other snug fit, but just with the stick the hesitation with acceleration is still there, leaving me to wonder if this is the root of the problem? If not do you have any ideas?

as of now im not motivated to put much time or money into fixing it unless i can solve that issue, even then i dont think itll last through another winter. right now its just a day time daily driver.
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TY again, ill try some other snug fit, but just with the stick the hesitation with acceleration is still there, leaving me to wonder if this is the root of the problem? If not do you have any ideas?

as of now im not motivated to put much time or money into fixing it unless i can solve that issue, even then i dont think itll last through another winter. right now its just a day time daily driver.
Back to the basics .. check for any vacuum leaks with a smoke test - even a cigarette or a cigar will work if you dont want to spend much time or money, just keep blowing smoke into the vacuum lines going to the engine and see if smoke comes out anywhere else. If no vacuum leaks are present, do a compression test or leakdown test on the engine.
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Back to the basics .. check for any vacuum leaks with a smoke test - even a cigarette or a cigar will work if you dont want to spend much time or money, just keep blowing smoke into the vacuum lines going to the engine and see if smoke comes out anywhere else. If no vacuum leaks are present, do a compression test or leakdown test on the engine.

would i just put the smoke in say where i had the branch[ the first photo with red circle] ? and just let the engine run, im not a smoker ironically
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would i just put the smoke in say where i had the branch[ the first photo with red circle] ? and just let the engine run, im not a smoker ironically
Yes, and leave the engine Off .. the nice thing about cigars is that you dont really inhale them anyways and you get tons of smoke.
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so start car
blow some smoke in port hole
turn car off?
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so start car
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turn car off?
No, leave the engine off, blow smoke into hole. Look for leaks.
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Ty for the video ill be trying that, I also posted in his ask a question forum guy seems very smart.



one other mystery wire/cable that seems cut/torn goes to back/under the engine far as i can tell

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That cable looks like the flat, braided cable which is used as an engine ground. It connects the frame to the passenger side engine mount on the block, if that is what it is.
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fixed it

ok evap purge line and cansiter, and hoses are all connected acceleration problem is still there

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also cleaned all spark plugs except one that i couldn't [most front one on passenger side] get to,checked gas lines for the "ticking noise" and all that i checked had it. problem with acceleration still persists.
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bought a new PCV valve, seems to hesitate while accelerating from a stop less often, but problem still persists im really at a loss as to what to fix or look at next..

also found one disconnected 3 socket line that goes into the power distributor box that doesnt connect to anything not sure what it is...

another part ive been reading on symptons is the throttle position sensor being bad perhaps?

what causes the car to hesitate when the gas pedal is floored quickly from a dead stop, vs accelerating sowly from a stop? whats going on thats different to cause the issue?

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i was hit on the driver side though.. And by canister is he referring to #6 in the diagram?

which specific vac lines do i plug? the two at the top of the item shown in the photo?
the only line i can find is by the front fender on the passenger side.



this is a metal line i found near passenger side front bumper i was mentioning. Which is #2 according to diagram ? with #3 being the bumper

Your not the only one with a misplaced hose. My pcv valve has 2 holes. Top hole line runs straight bxk on firewall to this very small device that has 2 other lines n it n nounted or "push pinned " into firewall. Bottom hose runs to the intake emission t.

So that hard line beside strut tower brace is suppise to run to the pcv..if so wat should i do with the round devi e that has the 2 tiny lines running into it on the firewall.
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EVAP control solenoid, goes under the fender, below the battery to the EVAP canister .. routed to the hard metal line that comes up the shock tower on the passenger side.
Ok ive traced it from beneath thr battery, to the passenger side by the canister snd noe up the hardline. I want to install a vacuum line on the hardline but i have no idea where the hose should fo once i connect it. Someone said pcv but my pcv has 2 holes and they already have lines on them i ran..
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Ok ive traced it from beneath thr battery, to the passenger side by the canister snd noe up the hardline. I want to install a vacuum line on the hardline but i have no idea where the hose should fo once i connect it. Someone said pcv but my pcv has 2 holes and they already have lines on them i ran..

The picture you posted above shows the hard line going to the PCV. You need to connect the vacuum hoses according to the vacuum diagram on your radiator support. If it has two lines off the PCV it will show up on the sticker.
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