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The new Freestar/Monterrey minivans come standard with the 4.2L V6! 210HP and 265lb.ft. torque. Discuss.

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lots of moms at the raceway
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Dude but the Honda puts out like 255. Frankly, I think they have us beat in the minivan department.
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That may be true, but I mainly meant to spark a "future engine swap" thread, or at least some interest in the internal differences in those 4.2s and the truck ones.

**brain fart**I just love the 4.2, and I really want to see a turbo 4.2 in an MN12.
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the 01 windstars have 4.2L split-port with 3.73 rear difs. I still whooped one though. dont ask me why I raced it but I'll just tell you I wasn't expecting a 70 year old man holding a little yorkee dog in one hand to race me lol.
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That may be true, but I mainly meant to spark a "future engine swap" thread, or at least some interest in the internal differences in those 4.2s and the truck ones.

**brain fart**I just love the 4.2, and I really want to see a turbo 4.2 in an MN12.
Ah, now i see what you meant. Not an opportunity for prospective minivan buyers, but for the local 3.8 guys.
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Wait a few years and they'll be in junk yards soon enough. soccer moms in minivans are accident prone in my book.
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**brain fart**I just love the 4.2, and I really want to see a turbo 4.2 in an MN12.
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Wait a few years and they'll be in junk yards soon enough.
I thought I remember seeing something not long ago that the FWD 4.2 won't do us any good, different bolt pattern on the bellhousing.

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The 4.2 litre engine on the freestar is the optional engine. The base engine on this van is a 3.9 litre with 201 horsepower. Someone in this forum mentioned a 2001 windstar with a 4.2 litre. I have never seen a windstar with that type of engine. If that can be done i would like to know as i also own a windstar. I have been lucky so far that i haven't had any problems with the van. If there is a chance to stick a 4.2 litre engine in a windstar with few or no modifications i would like to know in the event that i run into that problem that windstar owners have.
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The 4.2 litre engine on the freestar is the optional engine. The base engine on this van is a 3.9 litre with 201 horsepower. Someone in this forum mentioned a 2001 windstar with a 4.2 litre. I have never seen a windstar with that type of engine. If that can be done i would like to know as i also own a windstar. I have been lucky so far that i haven't had any problems with the van. If there is a chance to stick a 4.2 litre engine in a windstar with few or no modifications i would like to know in the event that i run into that problem that windstar owners have.
you would have to reuse the 3.8 block and put in a 4.2 crank, rods, and cam, and have the computer reflashed. untill the freestar comes out, there isnt a 4.2 that will bolt up to the fwd transmission, and there isnt a 4.2 computer to control the engine and the transmission.




also on a side note, FWD cars need higher final gear ratios to get off the line. my '96 neon has 3.55's in it stock, and its a stick, and some trim levels had 3.93's stock (oh, and a side note, with just a gear swap for the 3.93's, ill keep up with and beat quite a few stock 4.6's, even with the sohc motor). most minivans have 3.73s (or close to it) stock. take a look at gear ratios for fwd cars, youll see that most are at least 3.55 if not 3.73 or 4.10 range. -greg
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And BTW Thomas, the Windstar is FWD, there is no "rear differential" you crackhead.
Yes, brain fart, it has 3.73 front dif.

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The final drive ratio doesn't tell you squat if you don't know the transmission gear ratios. All of this is designed according to the subject engine's powerband. Apples to oranges...

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yeah I know, but it'd still be cool to have a windstar and be like, yeah it's got a 4.2 with 3.73's
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I was more reffering to the Neons, but yeah.

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And also Thomas, seeing as how your brain is incapacitated today, let's remember there was no 4.2L minivan in 2001. This is up and coming for 2004.
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hmmm you are correct. I must have gotten it mixed up when people were talking about using the split-port intakes and heads on a 4.2 setup. I'm just going to stop posting now lol
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well back on topic, I know what minivan I'm getting when I have kids. By that time they'll be at a nice cheap used price
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I was more reffering to the Neons, but yeah.

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yea i understand that... but heres the gear ratios for my neon...

Final Drive: 3.55
First: 3.54
Second: 2.12
Third: 1.36
Fourth: 1.03
Fifth: 0.72

if its wet, and youre not careful... the tires will spin forever, not to mention they spin easily as it is..
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oh thomas.. there is a more bada$$ minivan, ill see if i can find a link to it...

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And what are the chain sprocket ratios?

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And what are the chain sprocket ratios?

hahahahaha, you do know my neon is faster than your tbird.... lol.. but then again its a neon. id rather have a nice tbird anyday. -greg
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No, I'm serious... does Chrysler use a chain-type system?

I'm really only familiar with GM transaxles and THEY utilize a big fat chain to transfer power from the input shaft.

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No, I'm serious... there's a big fat chain in your transaxle... what are the ratios on the drive and driven sprockets?
wierd, ive never read or even heard anything about that before... time to do some more research... -greg
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Yeah, I edited that... but still research that puppy

I'd bet it has one.

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"Note that the Neon's manual transmission is a New Venture design, and is fundamentally common with the GM J-body line (Cavalier, Sunfire, etc.)." - neons.org

well, i guess it is possible. ill ask someone on those boards once my user name is activated by the administrator.. now lets stop this thread stealing... back to the bada$$ minivans!!! hehehe.... -greg
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yeah, (no offense) screw Neons. They will forever be Chryslers.
It seems like the 4.2 vans would have to use a low profile split-port intake and TB design. Maybe it could be implemented into an MN12.??? I'm sure there are plenty of inventive 3.8 owners willing to try.
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yeah, (no offense) screw Neons. They will forever be Chryslers.
It seems like the 4.2 vans would have to use a low profile split-port intake and TB design. Maybe it could be implemented into an MN12.??? I'm sure there are plenty of inventive 3.8 owners willing to try.
well.. a 3.8 intake can be used on the 4.2.. the truck 4.2's intake has much longer intake runners than the 3.8, thats why it doesnt clear the hood. but to make the freestar 4.2 work in the mn12s is a waste of time, unless you want to be the first to convert a tbird to fwd (once again, refer to waste of time.. lol). -greg
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the only reason neons can become fast is because its weights next to nothing and you can do very little to it to make it fast my friend but a cold air intake and exhuast and a shift kit and it ran near 13s at the track
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