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post #1 of 14 (permalink) Old 01-17-2005, 08:00 PM Thread Starter
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Wear Rubbers, My Friends...

...because if you don't, eventually you might have to sell your Thunderbird. It was either keep my beat up '95 LX or my g/f's '95 Grand Prix GTP, but FWD is safer in the winter if you have a baby.

Anyhow, now I'm thinking way down the road when I can next afford another 'Bird to hot rod. I really dig the 3.8 (even with the problems) because it's not really a mainstream choice, but is it worth getting one ten years from now and building it up? Is there still going to be aftermarket for that engine, you think?

I might be able to get my hands on a 302 from an '87 Crown Vic. If I get it, spend a couple years collecting parts for it, is it too much of a hassle to throw it in a '94-'95 'Bird? I know about how I'd need an AOD and all that stuff, but what do you imagine the situation to be like in 10 years, given how well/poorly 'Birds age and the rarity of parts?

Sort of related question: saying I grab the five-oh, what junkyard/less expensive parts could I throw on to up the HP a little? I think its 150 hp/270 ft/lbs, if I'm not mistaken.
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post #2 of 14 (permalink) Old 01-17-2005, 09:51 PM
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Or you can move to where I live, in Hawaii! You don't have to worry about snow or storm here. Always nice and sunny (well, maybe not always......) and warm here.

Of course, downside to this story is everything is expensive here. I mean everything. You also have to pay for BIG, I mean BIG shipping charge when you order something from any catalog (my average shipping charge for any parts is about $40). You might argue that how can a shipping charge so expensive, but most of the catalog shipping is some kind of 2Day-air thingy.

Anyway, good lusk with your new baby and hope for the best. If you do have a boy, maybe in 10years you both can work on our beloved T-bird.

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Oh hell yeah. We're gonna go for one last ride in the Bird before I actually sell it. But, uh, aside from moving to Hawaii, no one else has any advice?
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Front Drives are NOT safer in the Winter. Once you're out of control, you're completely ****ed. No correcting to it. The ONLY advantage to a FWD is better traction from a stop on ice. If that in your mind means safer, so be it, in my book that don't mean safer.
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Front Drives are NOT safer in the Winter. Once you're out of control, you're completely ****ed. No correcting to it. The ONLY advantage to a FWD is better traction from a stop on ice. If that in your mind means safer, so be it, in my book that don't mean safer.
I couldn't agree more...I spent almost 3 yrs in alaska driving both my birds..never once ended up in a ditch...however, lotsa FWD cars did....Just my .02.

Also, he is right on the correction factor...you start sliding ina FWD...no hope but to pump the brakes!

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Of the two cars, the GTP was the one I felt was safer. Several times last winter, I'd be tooling along in the Bird and suddenly the car would start going sideways, even though I'd be going at a constant speed and direction. Also, the car wouldn't make it up most hills in town, and would lose momentum half way up and there'd be little I could do.

But I've never heard anyone (let alone two people) ever say rear drive is safer in the winter. How does that help in a skid?
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your talking to the wrong 2 people . i agree with kodiak kid, i learned how to drive, in the winter, in rear drives . its how people drive or lack there of . dont take that the wrong way ! i dont mean that against you . everyone used to buy snow tires and never really compalined about it. all the younger generation, learned how to drive in front drives and dont know how to properly handle a rwd ,let alone drive one in the snow. i have a set of snows for all my rwd cars ,cept the 64

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Naw, I'd agree with you on that one. I had wide Kelly Chargers on it, and they weren't the best on snow. And it was my first winter in a RWD car.

But still, he said something about correction factor or correcting it in a skid, and not being able to do that in FWD. My old man always told me, in a skid, let off the gas and tap the brakes and the car will straighten out. I took driver's ed in the winter, but it was in a Lumina, so we weren't taught any rear drive techniques. So what am I missing here?
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FWD > RWD in winter for plowing through snowbanks and getting moving
RWD > FWD in winter for EVERYTHING ELSE.

On a RWD when the back end gets a little out of shape you let off the throttle and it will correct it self, FWD the back end gets out of shape and your screwed. FWD LOVE to go straight while on the throttle trying to turn a corner, RWD just give it a little throttle and hang the rear out a bit and corners are easy. I've driven Both RWD and FWD in the winter and a RWD with GOOD Ice/snow tires and 200# in the trunk can't be beat. Of course you could sell both and get a Subaru AWD
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I hate that 'snowplow' effect of FWD cars. You turn the wheel and the car doesn't care!

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Ohh...yeah, now I know what you guys were talking about. Yeah, the Galant I had before the Bird would just spin the tires and keep going straight sometimes when I turned it. And I dig how easy it is to get the car to point left or right and keep the nose in the same spot on RWD cars. Especially handy in parking lots.
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All ya need is a good pair of winter tires up front and your set.

FYI, a comparison was done between the Crown Vic and the Impala police cars a while ago. The cars were driven by officers and the Crown Vic was rated much higher , for one test both cars were put into skids/spins on ice and the cop recovered in the CV everytime, while the Impala went where it wanted to go.

Cant remember where I read this though.
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i agree with kodiak kid, i learned how to drive, in the winter, in rear drives . its how people drive or lack there of....... all the younger generation, learned how to drive in front drives and dont know how to properly handle a rwd ,let alone drive one in the snow. i have a set of snows for all my rwd cars ,cept the 64


It's all about knowing how to drive. I'll take a RWD with good snow tires anyday over a FWD. The RWD is just so much easier to correct if/when you do start to get into trouble. Plus, you can have much more fun in a RWD car.

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yeah, until you hit a snowbank in a parking lot doing donuts, and then yer ****ing stuck. =[
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