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Supersixmotorsports Long rod 3.8

What does everyone think about this shortblock?

http://www.supersixmotorsports.com/p...Shotblocks.pdf

Can something similiar be built that wouldn't cost as much?


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What does everyone think about this shortblock?

http://www.supersixmotorsports.com/p...Shotblocks.pdf

Can something similiar be built that wouldn't cost as much?
i have the 4.3L stroker set up, it working out pretty good for me.... spendy though. id wish i would have gone V8/big block

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I agree, it's an expensive V6, but if your a V6 fanatic as I am then it's just closer to the top of the line.
I'd do it if I had the $
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I agree, it's an expensive V6, but if your a V6 fanatic as I am then it's just closer to the top of the line.
I'd do it if I had the $
oh i agree completely, i just realized all the extra BS that went with the SSM V6 and probably would have had more fun with a carb set up..... thats what im planning for my SC.... 460ci BB

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It Looks Good And Those Numbers Are Impressive. That's Some Pricey Stuff Though. I Wonder How Fast That Will Go On Wheels.
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I've been staring at the last message for a coupla days now and it has just dawned on me. yea, let me know how fast you can get that sucker going. i'd like to know what kinda numbers you can get with a kit like that. 10 sec. cars? what? better? maybe 9 sec. cars?
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Is there anyone out there with a 9 sec thunderbird lol

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I've been staring at the last message for a coupla days now and it has just dawned on me. yea, let me know how fast you can get that sucker going. i'd like to know what kinda numbers you can get with a kit like that. 10 sec. cars? what? better? maybe 9 sec. cars?
There are some impressive times being run by V6 fords. Not MN-12's, but there is potential if you want to work on it:
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thanx. good info.
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thats alot of coin when you could have an 11 second car with a windsor engine for that much

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Is there anyone out there with a 9 sec thunderbird lol
Drivable, street legal car, no. I think the best we have as of now is low 10's. In a few years, I do believe there will be a few in the 9's

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Is there anyone out there with a 9 sec thunderbird lol
I once read an article in 5.0 mustang or muscle mustang & fast fords about a guy who put together a 6 sec thunderbird, but not with the same block. he supposedly used a ford hemi engine (that is if you can really get one). but yeah, this was an all out race car and not a street car. you can check him out on their web page by searching thunderbird. i was pretty impressed, but then again it wasn't even a street/strip car but a whole different machine.
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Drivable, street legal car, no. I think the best we have as of now is low 10's. In a few years, I do believe there will be a few in the 9's
I expect to get real close this coming weekend with my 93.

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ford hemi engine (that is if you can really get one
i know the 427 sohc was a hemi and there were a couple others i believe
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Well if we can get the new head program and the new intake manifold program officially running....we'll have some TRULY kick A$$ SC's. And we might be able to see the TRUE benefits of the AR and the MPX blowers on the SC's

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How about 7s?

It was a v6 thunderbird too.
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Drivable, street legal car, no. I think the best we have as of now is low 10's. In a few years, I do believe there will be a few in the 9's

Matt's got the fastest v6 mustang recorded and his is a daily driver lol. He runs high 9's. So yes, driveable, street legal, and runs 9's.
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Matt's got the fastest v6 mustang recorded and his is a daily driver lol. He runs high 9's. So yes, driveable, street legal, and runs 9's.
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I believe that the way this is written is intentionally misleading. The motor makes 280-390 N/A. There is no way you will run 10 second quarters with that. That is about 340 rwhp if your lucky or high 12's low 13's. If you want to make 550, you need the 20 psi blower mentioned casually at the top.

What this means is add another $5000 to the price tag if you wanna make 550 ponies.

The only thing "super" about SSM is the size of Tom Y's bank account.

For $12000, you could build a 460 that would pump out two times the power and actually see 8 or 9 second quarters.
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I dont think Tom Y misleads his advertisements at all. He has proven that it does not take a 5,000 dollar power adder to hit 10's. His built 4.3L with nitrous was the example of that. For constant power, however, sure, a power adder will be needed. Or a 4.5L SVO motor

It also would not take 20psi to hit 550rwhp with a built engine. _J_ was the one to prove that point. Some really good flowing turbos did the trick for him at 16psi and that got him 520rwhp. Thats about the psi Matt's car will run to hit ~500rwhp as well.

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Thomas, I have to disagree with you. The "Dyno proven to over 550 hp" is in big bold writing. This implies that the motor makes 550 hp and can be very easily misread to assume that. The "can be tuned to produce 280-390 N/A is not written in bold.

One actually must interpret the chart at the top to realize that in order to hit 550+ hp, "SC 20 psi, or 200-shot is required". So you are looking at $11000-12000 for sustainble power.

A relatively mild 460, if you are not crazy about sticking with a 6, will make this power effortlessly and for about 1/6th the cost.

His built 4.3 had at least a 200 shot of nitrous. Once again, no small power adder, but a very large and very hard on a motor power adder. Take a 13 second T-bird and add 200 hp of nitrous to it and you'll have a 10 second car too.

You actually would need 20 psi in order to attain 550 plus hp from a V6. We are talking V1 S trim or SC trim at maximum boost pressure. Intercooled, a realistic gain would be in the neighborhood of 60 percent max engine power. If we assume that we are dealing with a sustainable 350 hp from a built V6, you would be adding between 200 and 225 hp at max boost. That is 550-575 hp.

Attaining 500+ hp from the 3.8's has been a feat few have been able to reach in SC's with built motors and with aftermarket MP 3's or MPX's that are over driven 20-25 %. Just look at membership at SCCOA. And it is much easier to make hp with a positive displacement blower than it is with a centrifugal.

Two 16 psi turbo's provide a hell of a lot of kick. Considerably more than a single V1 ever could. Most of the really fast cars out there are running monster turbo's, not SC's for the very fact that if properly set up, they will kick the crap out of a supercharger.

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well thats because the m90 is too small no matter how much you pay for the better aftermarket case. It's too small. Paying that much for the same amount of rotors is not something I would do. That's why Im fitting the M112 on there, and I plan on making more than 500rwhp with less than 20psi. And it IS possible when you use the right power adder. It's all about specing the right combo. Thats why there are two centrifugal mustangs in the works expecting 500+
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