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What are the fastest 3.8 n/a here?

I've noticed over the last few years, some of the V6'rs have gone all out with their cars. What are some the fastest V6's here. I know rancherlees is one of em, but I wanted to know of some others.

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NA, I don't know.

SC'd, that would be David Neibert's 91 SC, [email protected] MPH

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NA, I don't know.

SC'd, that would be David Neibert's 91 SC, [email protected] MPH

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Eh, I beleive he asked for NA, and I wouldn't mind hearing either. I'm sure someone has broke into the high 15's with a stroked 3.8L, all cammed out, ported heads, etc, etc...... Should have just swapped a V8 in there and been done with it.
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Should have just swapped a V8 in there and been done with it.
You're seriously are new here arent you?

You should really look into things before you go runnin your mouth, a v-8 swap requires a complete donor car, and is not very easy to do. Sure, few have done it, but it's MUCH easier just to get one with a v-8. Nuff said.

Trust me, the topic has been discussed NUMEROUS times.

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Should have just swapped a V8 in there and been done with it.
Youre asking for a heated argument there. Let's not start that please?

Well I had planned on being the top NA v6 bird around, then I got a good deal on nitrous, and then I decided to stick a lightning blower on top, and then I decided to use a lighter car so Im currently in the process of buying an 88 notch mustang

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Come on guys, don't start having a pi$$ing match. It was a basic question thats all. Sure, everybody says "get a SC" or "swap a V8" "buy a V8" etc, etc.

The question of the topic was "What are the fastest 3.8na here" The question was NOT "Should I buy an SC instead or Should I buy a V8 instead.

Whatever. Anyways, Thomas that 3.8 you were working on for the longest time, you decided to give up on and go for a Mustang? What was the best time your 3.8 Tbird went? Also, wouldnt a Lightning blower blow out the internals as would a SC blower, or did you have the whole 3.8 redone with better internals?

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I have never personally tested my 3.8 NA, but to me with the mods that I have done, it is actually pretty darn fast! I get people all the time that say it is quick with acceleration. I want to take it to a track one day, but there isnt any around here.

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my best time without nitrous with the stock ported upper intake was 16.7. This was with the stock AOD that has pretty much had it, and stock gears with no tune. I strongly believe 3.73's, the high stall, a tune, and being able to shift at 5,500rpms would get this car in the 13's NA.

Im not giving up on the 3.8. I'm putting the v6 in the mustang with the tranny and nitrous and blower. I'll eventully put forged rods and pistons in to the 4.2 i have in my garage and run ~20psi with nitrous and see if I can break 8's in the 1/4

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Both times I took my Splitport 94 LX to the track, I had issues. The first time was while we were still working out the tuning bugs, and it was bogging/hesistating badly on the line (2.4X 60' times). It ran 16.7's. The second time it had a blown electric fan fuse (which I didn't know about until later), causing it to overheat and detonate. IIRC, I was in and out of the throttle, and was completely out of the throttle just after the 1000'. It ran a 16.67 that time. I'm confident that if I took the car to the track just as it is today it would at least turn a low-16/high-15. I just have no interest in doing so, as the 94 is just the daily driver. The XR7 is the fun car...which I did a V8 swap in.

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My best was 16.9. The same day, I ran 17.0's back to back. I would hope that with a ported upper and lower intake and ported heads, it could maybe get in low 16's-high15's.

As of now, mods aren't much: Air silencer removed, ASP Underdrive Pulleys, Transgo Shift kit, high stall (dirty dog) converter, tranny cooler, dual exhaust.

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wow thomas. you do that and you'll have the fastest one i've ever hear of. that's actually faster that what those super six guys have on their web page. maybe you'll get some coverage on that if you get in a shootout.
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wow thomas. you do that and you'll have the fastest one i've ever hear of. that's actually faster that what those super six guys have on their web page. maybe you'll get some coverage on that if you get in a shootout.
this is true. But supersix has also recently added custom long tube headers, a good suspension, and I believe they're either working on a two-stage nitrous system, or a power adder of some kind. It'll be interesting to see what it turns out next year.
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15.7 @ 87mph with the a bypass belt, [email protected] with the belt on the blower.
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15.7 @ 87mph with the a bypass belt, [email protected] with the belt on the blower.


What all mods did you have to pull of the 15.7?

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Should have just swapped a V8 in there and been done with it.
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oh shut up nick, let us v6'ers have some fun,.....even if it is slower fun.
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this is all starting to sound like a broken record.
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this is all starting to sound like a broken record.
I'm not meaning to be the jerk here either..... It just ends up happening this way because I own a Mustang.

And guys, I have a 3.8L, and it's not fast. Sure anything can be made fast, but generally low displacement engines (or engines with less than 8 cylinders) tend to go towards the power adder side of things to make more power. It's easier to bolt on power to an existing engine than it is to tear one apart and do a build up yourself, or I should say it's more time consuming to do an engine build than to throw more power at it with some type of PA.

Also, if you guys are having fun with your 3.8L, then it doesn't matter what I say or what people try to convince you of. More power to you!! Just realize that a 3700+ pound car with a 145/215 hp/tq is not going to be a tire burner......
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Just forget it, I don't feel like arguing. This thread has gone wayyyyy off topic from it's original purpose.
I'm still talking about the 3.8L here, and I'd like to know who is the quickest 3.8L NA as well as the guy who started the thread? I'd imagine a built, high-comp, 3.8L stroked to a 4.2L, with H/C/I, and some good tuning would be my guess, or who has at least done a significant amount of bolt-ons is going to be the quickest.....

Let me ask this then. What is the highest hp 3.8L/4.2L NA?
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I'm still talking about the 3.8L here, and I'd like to know who is the quickest 3.8L NA as well as the guy who started the thread? I'd imagine a built, high-comp, 3.8L stroked to a 4.2L, with H/C/I, and some good tuning would be my guess, or who has at least done a significant amount of bolt-ons is going to be the quickest.....

Let me ask this then. What is the highest hp 3.8L/4.2L NA?
I think the quickest 3.8 NA Tbird/Cougars here (no superchargers or turbos or nitrous) are probably low/mid 16 sec cars. Rancherlee said he did a 15.7 before the supercharger. He hasn't replied yet as to all the mods he had when it ran a 15.7.
I'm surprised more V6'rs havn't chimed in yet.

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While its not the best but my 4.2L just ran 15.4 on the G-Tech with the 3.08 Highway gears in the rear.

I was able to pull against a 96 Mark VIII on the highway the other day up to 120 (not recommended by any means! it was late and nobody on road)

The one thing a v6 will have is weight advantage,, with aluminum heads and composite intake (windstar) my 4.2L weighs next to nothing compared to any 4.6L SOHC or DOHC! its like driving a go-cart! this thing handles!

I have yet to bolt the Vortech S-trim on yet but I figure I should be sitting pretty micely after that!
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I think the quickest 3.8 NA Tbird/Cougars here (no superchargers or turbos or nitrous) are probably low/mid 16 sec cars. Rancherlee said he did a 15.7 before the supercharger. He hasn't replied yet as to all the mods he had when it ran a 15.7.
I'm surprised more V6'rs havn't chimed in yet.
Yes, I keep hoping someone else will chime in. I think a high 14 is possible, of course with much weight reduction and roughly 180rwhp, with decent driving.

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While its not the best but my 4.2L just ran 15.4 on the G-Tech with the 3.08 Highway gears in the rear.

I was able to pull against a 96 Mark VIII on the highway the other day up to 120 (not recommended by any means! it was late and nobody on road)

The one thing a v6 will have is weight advantage,, with aluminum heads and composite intake (windstar) my 4.2L weighs next to nothing compared to any 4.6L SOHC or DOHC! its like driving a go-cart! this thing handles!

I have yet to bolt the Vortech S-trim on yet but I figure I should be sitting pretty micely after that!
That's cool, however I don't like to go buy G-tech numbers. However they can be fairly close most of the time. Hell, even tracks can be off depending on how often they have their clocks calibrated.

And yes, I am going to make my 3.8L T-bird a handler instead of a trying to make a tire burner. My stang will be my straight line go fast car and the T-bird will be my Auto-X car. Of course 100 lbs of stereo is not helping the bird out any. And good luck with the S-Trim install, that should make the car much more fun.
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Just realize that a 3700+ pound car with a 145/215 hp/tq is not going to be a tire burner......
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Now you tell me....

Exactly, great caption there....

One of the reasons I like the 3.8L is that it's not too bad on gas. I'm averaging roughly 23 to 25 with mixed driving using the AC 90% of the time.
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Well, I was looking at doing the same thing. I ended up doing the head gasket thing and a bunch of other crap and it still turned out cheaper than getting a V8.

What I would suggest is look for a wrecked Cat or Bird of the same year that you have so you can get the whole tranny/engine and computer from, plus all the other wires, engine mounts etc. Just getting an engine is gonna be some work and money. IMO.
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