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4R70W in an AOD car

as the title states, can this be done and still keep the L1C ECM?
I understand that I will need to add a switch for OD cancel. would I have to change a solenoid or add a relay?

The reason I want to keep the ECM is so I can keep the digital dash.


This will be for a 5.0HO engine. So the trans I get will have to be out of a 94 mustang.

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Yes, it can be done, but you can use later transmissions . . . there is a lot of information posted about which 4R70W transmissions are the strongest, and which of those will work behind a 5.0L/5.8L engine, as well as information about how to go about swapping a 4R70W in place of an AOD.

Just pop over to the Tech articles section, and select "Transmissions"; there you will find a multitude of information about the AOD/AODE4R70W, and while you're at it, you might do a search for "AOD to 4R70W"; you might just turn up something . . .

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the newer 5.0 explorers had the 4rs i belive

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You will need a stand alone ECM for the tranny.

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Or there is the other option of building an AOD with a wide ratio gear set (from a 4r70w) which requires no additional control mechanism. If you go the 4R route, you would NOT want a early model 4r tranny. You would want a late model unit from a mustang (>2000).

I have heard mixed things about the baumannator (just ask dirtyd0g what he thinks, he will answer after he stops screaming ‘NO’ at the top of his lungs). I recently went the gearset route with mine because I wanted to keep my digital dash and I needed a better transmission with the power im making. I really wanted to do the 4R and distributor-less ignition system from an explorer but without the FF data feed from the ecu to the dash I wouldn’t do it. I like the dash (as do you it seems.)

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Or there is the other option of building an AOD with a wide ratio gear set (from a 4r70w) which requires no additional control mechanism. If you go the 4R route, you would NOT want a early model 4r tranny. You would want a late model unit from a mustang (>2000).

I have heard mixed things about the baumannator (just ask dirtyd0g what he thinks, he will answer after he stops screaming ‘NO’ at the top of his lungs). I recently went the gearset route with mine because I wanted to keep my digital dash and I needed a better transmission with the power im making. I really wanted to do the 4R and distributor-less ignition system from an explorer but without the FF data feed from the ecu to the dash I wouldn’t do it. I like the dash (as do you it seems.)
So if I was to bring an AOD trans to a good trans shop and say I would like that done, Would they know what I'm talking about and approximately how much would something like that cost? More than $2000?

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Doubt they would tackle it, and if they did, proably not get it right...you need to find an expereinced swaper, or follow the tech files on CCR.

I think we forgot to mention the installation of the 3.8L . 4.2 L 4R70W and a MANUAL VB, it will come with a switch for both TCC lockup and OD. SO far a very likable swap by those that have done it.

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I'm debating on whether I should tackle this or not. I'm definitely going to have the AOD trans rebuilt and upgrade to a 2500 stall converter.

I was thinking of swapping out the parts and then bringing it to a shop to have everything rebuilt and set to spec, But the last trans I ever took apart was a 2 speed power-glide and I might be a little rusty.

My main problem is I have "Champaign dreams on a beer money income" as my Grandfather would say.

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Doubt they would tackle it, and if they did, proably not get it right...you need to find an expereinced swaper, or follow the tech files on CCR.

I think we forgot to mention the installation of the 3.8L . 4.2 L 4R70W and a MANUAL VB, it will come with a switch for both TCC lockup and OD. SO far a very likable swap by those that have done it.
Hey Silverfox,
I thought you said on your site you were considering building a few or did you change your mind?

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I'm debating on whether I should tackle this or not. I'm definitely going to have the AOD trans rebuilt and upgrade to a 2500 stall converter.

I was thinking of swapping out the parts and then bringing it to a shop to have everything rebuilt and set to spec, But the last trans I ever took apart was a 2 speed power-glide and I might be a little rusty.

My main problem is I have "Champaign dreams on a beer money income" as my Grandfather would say.
Here is the link to Silverfox's site with the details on the swap. Terrific site!

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I don't build trans to sit around and hope they sell, just custom build each to the persons needs/desires. So that means no one has requested or I have found the need to build a WR AOD.

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I don't build trans to sit around and hope they sell, just custom build each to the persons needs/desires. So that means no one has requested or I have found the need to build a WR AOD.
You put it out that you would build on request "again" right after I found the one I have (you told me on your site just change the servo and run it). Your knowledge of the AOD is extreme as well as later models. I would have gone with you in a heartbeat. They will come. Seems most have forsaken the lowly oldster.

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