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post #1 of 10 (permalink) Old 09-08-2012, 04:30 PM Thread Starter
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back again with problems

ok guys so im back again with some more tranny problems. so this is whats happening. every time the car is coming to a stop it doesn't want to down shift to 1st it kinda stutters and then cuts off i even tried to put the car in 2nd when coming to a stop but it basically has a brain fart doesn't know what gear to be in finds the gear then stalls. i returned my car to the stock tune to see if it would help and it did. i drove the car over 60 miles and it did not happen. put the tune back on and it started its bull sh*t again. the car is also making some crazy noise coming from ether the TC or the trans its self. sounds like metal grinding on something fierce. any ideas?

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post #2 of 10 (permalink) Old 09-08-2012, 06:21 PM
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Yes. Your tune has a messed up shift table.

Talk to the tuner and see if s/he can fix it for you.

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post #3 of 10 (permalink) Old 09-10-2012, 06:03 PM Thread Starter
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ok guys the bird gave out today not sure if it is the TC or the trans itself i already have a TC but its out of a mark Viii now my question is will a flex plate out of a 99 ford F-150 4.6l work? and is there any way to tell if the trans gave out or the TC by opening either ?

is there a drain plug on the gas tank? I happen to have a full tank.

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post #4 of 10 (permalink) Old 09-10-2012, 08:36 PM
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First - the 99 F-150 flex plate MIGHT work; a lot of the newer flex plates are drilled for both the 12" and the 11.25" TCs - you just have to look if the holes are there.

Second - there is no drain plug on the gas tank, but you should be able to hot-wire it, have the hose disconnected somewhere (probably easiest by the fuel filter) and just let it squirt out into a pail, bucket, or gas can.

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post #5 of 10 (permalink) Old 09-10-2012, 08:47 PM Thread Starter
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Good idea ill do that. I've been looking and reading all about doing droping the tranny but any extra hints or other ideas are welcome. thank you for that netkeym I will be doing that

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post #6 of 10 (permalink) Old 09-11-2012, 12:24 PM
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Drop the diff instead of the tank. Don't pull the axle shafts then slide the drive shaft back as far as you can. It will yield you the space needed to remove the trans. I did it over the weekend

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Dropping the differentialis is the way to go very easy. then just slide the drive shaft back and drop the tranny. Ive got to reinstall the tranny tonight and ill inform you guys if I fixed the problem


******** update*********

alright the bird lives! the torque converter gave out, sounded like a salt shaker. replaced with a MarkVIII and she runs fine. thank you guys for the info

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqUYcXkp7s4

This is exactly how it sounded

************another update**********

alright guy got another question. when I start the car up I get this grind/cherp( hard to explain the noise)one or twice from I think of the bottom of the car any ideas what it could be? I'll also throw in that it only happens when the engine is starting up (turning over)

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well first off, if your convertor sounded like that. i would be willing to bet the trans is full of shrapnel and swapping the T/C will probably last a few days till the pieces of the old one travel around the valve-body and reek havoc.

did you drop the pan and check it out? i mean i suppose you could get lucky, but i wouldn't hold my breath.

and about the noise, since i assume it started after this T/C swap i would bet its something on the flexplate or the flexplate itself out of alignment/contacting the block. but then again it could also be something inside the new T/C getting ready to shell out.

ideally when something fails hard in the transmission the whole thing should be removed and rebuilt along with the coolers/lines being cleaned or replaced.

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Didn't find anything out of the ordinary in the pan. Cleaned cooler lines and took the valve body out and cleaned it as well I would of loved to replace the trans but with a single income and a baby on the way i do what I can. What can I check to see if the flex plate is out of alignment.

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well its good you at least went that far. as for checking the flexplate : / its kindof a drop the trans deal, you might be able to see it through the drain plug for the convertor, but i doubt looking through their will tell you much.

i would say looking through the starter hole, but since our starters are in one of the worst places possible, that's not gonna happen. maybe with a really long camera scope

its also possible you didn't get the convertor in all the way and smashed it against the pump/flexplate. if so i hope it didn't damage it. usually brakes the pump.

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