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Shifting issues

It's on a 96 4.6 bird having issues with the 1-2 and 2-3 shifts. Not sure of the exact symptoms as of yet I'll update this more as I get the rest of the info. Auto trans isn't my thing, hence I drive a manual. Just trying to help out a friend, input would be great. Thanks guy's.

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The more details, the better. Check the fluid. Level? Color? Smell? Also check the common problems/troubleshooting pages of Jerry's Thesis for some info as well.

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Check the transmission.

I'll update this more as I get the rest of the info

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Check the transmission.


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My first guess is it's low on fluid...

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I am still waiting, my friend told me what it's doing, but I'm forgetful sometimes.
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Ok, hesitation shifting into second, the shift is between 2,800 & 3,200 rpm's. I have not yet noticed any patern with the issue. It's completely random as far as I can tell.

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Okay so now the trans is done, looking for a trans that I can swap into it with little modification. I already suggested a 5spd swap and got shot down. I've heard a little about the 4r75w,can I swap one into a 96 4.6 bird with little modification.

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Okay so now the trans is done, looking for a trans that I can swap into it with little modification. I already suggested a 5spd swap and got shot down. I've heard a little about the 4r75w,can I swap one into a 96 4.6 bird with little modification.
Aside from having to do the normal 99+ 4R70W modifications, you need to have a chip or Xcal to change the OSS count in the tune, which needs to be done by a tuner. Absolutely no way around this.
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So if I can't do a tune, then just stick with the trans that should be in there or is there a direct swap upgrade of sorts.

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Okay so now the trans is done, looking for a trans that I can swap into it with little modification.
How do you know for sure that the trans is shot?
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i would stick some shift solenoids in it
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Yeah dude just throw random parts at it until it works! To hell with testing the resistance on them, or ensuring they are operating correctly!

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How do you know for sure that the trans is shot?
Because a stock 96 4r70w was a TOTAL POS when it was brand new.

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I know it was shot cause it quit, but it's not my problem anymore anyway.

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Because a stock 96 4r70w was a TOTAL POS when it was brand new.
A TOTAL POS?

Perhaps, some people say the same thing about the 4R70W in my '94 Bird.

I've kept it going for 19 years with just a little TLC. I suppose if I beat the crap out of it, it would not hold up.
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The 94 4R70w makes the 96 one actually seem well engineered.

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Because a stock 96 4r70w was a TOTAL POS when it was brand new.
I beg to differ. Mine has held up just fine. I've given it plenty of abuse in the 80,000 miles that I have been operating it. The only thing I've had to change was my 1-2 accumulator and spring. Everything else has held up just fine. It has almost 160,000 miles on it with no signs of failure in sight.

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I beg to differ. Mine has held up just fine. I've given it plenty of abuse in the 80,000 miles that I have been operating it. The only thing I've had to change was my 1-2 accumulator and spring. Everything else has held up just fine. It has almost 160,000 miles on it with no signs of failure in sight.
I could destroy yours in an afternoon without exceeding Redline - You can't kill mine doing that.

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And how might you do that?


And why do you thumbsdown everyone? That's kinda brash.

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BUCK only has one opinion on stock trannies. Don't take it personally, he's said the same thing on here many times...

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And how might you do that?
assuming yours is REALLY Stock...


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assuming yours is REALLY Stock...

Yeah, all the way down to the OWRC. Only thing done to it is a J-mod. You can't break it driving normally. I'm sure I could break it too, but I'd sure as hell be trying. It'd probably take quite a few manual 4-2's to do it, assuming that's how you'd do it. However, I never do that. Can't fry the OD band either, the tune won't let me.

I've lost count how many passes I've made down the track with this thing. It takes it. If my 96 tranny is supposed to be a total POS, I guess I have a factory freak then.

I find it pointless to try to destroy something and then say "Ah ha! See! That tranny is a total POS!"

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If my 96 tranny is supposed to be a total POS, I guess !"
This is'nt personal this is FACT:

- We ALL KNOW that the Aluminum 1-2 Piston that came in your brand new 96 Tranny (& mine too BTW) was a TOTAL POS... along with several other parts ours came with in 96.

- & yours is NOT Stock at 160K miles so...

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All this talk certainly doesn't give me a warm and fuzzy feeling about my 94 4r70w
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I could destroy yours in an afternoon without exceeding Redline - You can't kill mine doing that.
If you let a chimpanzee drive your car, he could do more than destroy your trans in LESS than an afternoon.

What's your point?
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I've broken the piece in the photo; it's pretty easy to do 4-2 shifts merging traffic without meaning to.

You can also spin the TC, even tho it's 'locked'. Even with a stock engine, at wot.


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but it's not my problem anymore anyway.
On that note, I think this thread has run it's course

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