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Is an aluminum trans pan a worthwhile upgrade for a stock vehicle?

It seems like it couldn't hurt, if it lowers the fluid temperature, but may be overkill.

Also, would a deeper pan require an extension to lower the filter?

This B&M pan is "moderately priced" at under $200. I've seen some pans selling for close to $400. I'm open to suggestions for other brands.

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No. The stock 96+ pan and filter is the way to go, deepest part of the pan is where the pickup is which is most ideal. The B&M pan is just like the flat pre 96 pans, just deeper and overpriced.

If you want to lower fluid temperature get an actual cooler and do the J mod while your at it(faster fill times = less clutch slip = less heat).
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No. The stock 96+ pan and filter is the way to go, deepest part of the pan is where the pickup is which is most ideal. The B&M pan is just like the flat pre 96 pans, just deeper and overpriced.

If you want to lower fluid temperature get an actual cooler and do the J mod while your at it(faster fill times = less clutch slip = less heat).

Thanks for the suggestions!

It seems the 1996 style pan doesn't have a drain plug. I assume the 1998 style pan (with drain plug) would also work when using a proper filter.

1998 pan part # F8UZ-7A194-AA

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I've never seen a factory drain plug in any factory 4R70 drain pan. If you can weld, you can easily install one while you have the pan off though.

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Ford made 4r70w pans with factory drain plugs for the econoline van for u-haul. They should still be available. I have a LPW deep aluminum pan and enjoy it. Not a stock vehicle. No adverse problem besides cost. Also those gaskets are crap stick the the ford gasket.

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With the deeper aftermarket pans - check and see if they add a custom bracket to hold the filter in place to make sure it doesn't fall down.

Having a drain plug would be nice, but not worth $200. I barely spill anything when lowering the pan. Just put a piece of cardboard beneath your oil container. It isn't that hard to balance the pan after you let it hinge down and get most of the fluid out that way.
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I would drag a larger pan more often that I just drag the dimple on the 96+ pan. I guess it might be better to have fins to wear off instead one a central area to wear through.

All deeper pans that I have looked at have 3 little legs that hold up the 96+ filter with the tube so that it is held in place.

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My car is pretty low and I've scraped a few times but never the hump on the 96 pan

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I drug it all the time on my lowered 97 Cougar, and at least a couple of times with my Mark VIII with a cheapo set of springs replacing the air suspension.

It is usually the very abrupt tall speed bumps, and I also cannot drive either car forward out of my driveway, but backing out is just fine.

I replaced the transmission pan once because in addition to scraping, it hit solid, and it looked like it caved in and creased a corner. My 2000 Grand Marquis hit a curb so hard it broke the filter. That car has a ton of ground clearance compared to the lowered Cougar or the Mark VIII.

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Thanks for the suggestions!

It seems the 1996 style pan doesn't have a drain plug. I assume the 1998 style pan (with drain plug) would also work when using a proper filter.

1998 pan part # F8UZ-7A194-AA

Is this correct part number for adding a factory pan with a drain plug to a 1997? or is there some other better number to use?
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There is now a new option, Dorman makes a decent stock style pan with a drain. The drain plug is on the other side of the sump, and it is black powder coated.

http://www.dormanproducts.com/p-73883-265-813.aspx

significantly cheaper than the OEM one. F8UZ-7A194-AA is the part number for the "U-Haul" pan with the drain plug. YOU can usually find the Dorman for around 25 bucks, the Ford one tends to run around 60-80 bucks.

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Speaking of drain plugs, the O-ring type have always leaked a drop or two for me. Gets the bottom of the pan all dirty. If I were to add them again on a regular pan, I would use an O2 sensor bung and a plug that incorporates a flat copper crush washer.
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FWIW I found my ford pan with plug on craigslist. picked it up for $25. Might be worth a shot since that was only about a year ago.
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There is now a new option, Dorman makes a decent stock style pan with a drain. The drain plug is on the other side of the sump, and it is black powder coated.

http://www.dormanproducts.com/p-73883-265-813.aspx

significantly cheaper than the OEM one. F8UZ-7A194-AA is the part number for the "U-Haul" pan with the drain plug. YOU can usually find the Dorman for around 25 bucks, the Ford one tends to run around 60-80 bucks.
anyone use the dorman pan. does it fit right and not leak?
is it a lot thinner than the ford one?

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Not heard any negatives for it. At the time I was going to use one, I couldn't find one, no one had it in stock, only a few on eBay for the price of the Ford one.

Now the availability is there but I am not really due for a fluid change for awhile, so I haven't ordered one as I don't need more stuff hanging around that I am not yet using.

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For the price the Dorman one looks pretty good. I'll probably snag one for the DD. while searching for trans pans I have seen some nice aluminium ones. But I kind of suspect they aren't adding enough fluid to make any significant change in fluid temps vs a trans cooler. Which you know will work. And there's the clearance issue. These cars are relatively low. Depending on the age of the springs or if it's been lowered. I could see that being a issue for some.
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For the price the Dorman one looks pretty good. I'll probably snag one for the DD. while searching for trans pans I have seen some nice aluminium ones. But I kind of suspect they aren't adding enough fluid to make any significant change in fluid temps vs a trans cooler. Which you know will work. And there's the clearance issue. These cars are relatively low. Depending on the age of the springs or if it's been lowered. I could see that being a issue for some.
I've ordered one of the Dorman 265-813 pans. We'll see how well it made when I drop the stock pan to compare.
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anyone use the dorman pan. does it fit right and not leak?
is it a lot thinner than the ford one?
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Not heard any negatives for it. At the time I was going to use one, I couldn't find one, no one had it in stock, only a few on eBay for the price of the Ford one.

Now the availability is there but I am not really due for a fluid change for awhile, so I haven't ordered one as I don't need more stuff hanging around that I am not yet using.

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For the price the Dorman one looks pretty good. I'll probably snag one for the DD. while searching for trans pans I have seen some nice aluminium ones. But I kind of suspect they aren't adding enough fluid to make any significant change in fluid temps vs a trans cooler. Which you know will work. And there's the clearance issue. These cars are relatively low. Depending on the age of the springs or if it's been lowered. I could see that being a issue for some.
This showed up today. Seems fine. When I pull the factory pan off I'll be able make a better comparison. But it doesn't seem flimsy.
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I just installed the Dorman pan and 96+ filter on my 93 Mark. Nicely built and a lot thicker than OE. $30 on Rockauto. Can't go wrong.

Does anyone know how much additional fluid the 96+ pan will hold vs the old style? Doesn't seem like a lot, but looks can be deceiving I guess.
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There is now a new option, Dorman makes a decent stock style pan with a drain. The drain plug is on the other side of the sump, and it is black powder coated.

Dorman Products - 265-813

significantly cheaper than the OEM one. F8UZ-7A194-AA is the part number for the "U-Haul" pan with the drain plug. YOU can usually find the Dorman for around 25 bucks, the Ford one tends to run around 60-80 bucks.
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Does anyone know how much additional fluid the 96+ pan will hold vs the old style? Doesn't seem like a lot, but looks can be deceiving I guess.
Its 1.5 additional quarts.
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Its 1.5 additional quarts.
IIRC on my 96 a Filter change is about 4 Qts, so then my 95 would be only 2.5 Qt maybe w/old Pan ?? - That's significant.

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IIRC on my 96 a Filter change is about 4 Qts, so then my 95 would be only 2.5 Qt maybe w/old Pan ?? - That's significant.
The pre 96 capacity is 12.5 quarts, 96+ holds 13.9, so its about 1.4 quart difference. So yes, you should get more like 4 quarts out of a fluid change, the increase in fluid capacity is due to the pan. The biggest benefit to using the 96+ is the deep sump filter, to avoid starvation on cornering.

Additional fluid capacity isnt really a cooling factor, but there are more detergent additives inside the fluid with the increased capacity.

The aftermarket aluminum pan with the fins may help transmission cooling slightly, but not nearly as much as an external cooler and the J-mod shift kit like mentioned above.

Stock transmission - should always use an external cooler, and upgrade to the 96+ style filter / pan and J-mod. While this may increase longevity, the pre 99 transmissions are still flawed without the 99+ valve body and the mechanical diode one way clutch, so better to replace with a later model than upgrade, not if - but when the transmission fails.
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