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Torque Converter Clutch Question...

My TCC on Lazarus, the black Cougar, is stuck on, in every gear except 1st.

I've checked the solenoid, Valve body, check balls; pretty much everything you can look at with the tranny in the car.

It actually drives ok, if rough, lol.

Are there any shaft seals that can cause this, or a particular valve in the VB?

I'm building one to replace it, but it would be nice to know what to look for.

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I actually love the way this drives on the highway.

The Poly/sport/koni suspension is settling in; I May not need a back brace after all...

It always disengages at a stop, or a manual 1 shift.

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In my experiance it sounds like a bad solenoiod. I've had them ohm out just fine n still be stuck on cuz it kind of welds itself together after the first application
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I've already replaced it with a new one; the old one wasn't bad, either.

This almost has to be a seal on a shaft, or a wormtrack cross-leak in the VB.

I ain't found it yet, tho.

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I'll throw out an off-the-wall question and ask if you've checked the voltage on the wires to the solenoid... Just in case the PCM is fried or the wiring is fubar'd.

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I'll throw out an off-the-wall question and ask if you've checked the voltage on the wires to the solenoid... Just in case the PCM is fried or the wiring is fubar'd.
Yeah, once I saw how easy it was to access from the inside, I ohmed it out.

I checked the circuit while I had the solenoid out when I changed it, as well.

There's a valve in the valvebody that can cause it, so I swapped the VB with another one, and it still has the same problem.

I've been driving it for a year, every few days.

I will probably do a 4-2 or WOT 2-3 one of these days, and it will take a large sh*t on me, most likely; it needs some play there.

Something is leaking somewhere... (internally, not externally)

I don't have the VB wormtrack data or the tranny housing fluid flow circuits to look at; if anyone has the resources, point me that way.

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I don't have the VB wormtrack data or the tranny housing fluid flow circuits to look at; if anyone has the resources, point me that way.
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Those are awesome, Chris; I downloaded them a while back.

That's how I'm thinking a checkball, maybe.

Is there a diagram that any of y'all have seen that has the description of the wormtracks in the VB?

Or what flows thru what holes in the shafts?

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Is there a diagram that any of y'all have seen that has the description of the wormtracks in the VB?

Or what flows thru what holes in the shafts?
I know the official FLM 4R70W manuals have the complete hydraulic path for each function. It is quite elaborate and way too much to post!

I'm not sure where my manuals are, but I'll look around tomorrow. If I find them, I'll snap some pics of the lockup circuit and post them. I'm afraid they may be in one of the 50+ storage totes still at the storage shed from remodeling the house over the past year.
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Driller, if you can tell me what book to buy, I'll do it!

Posting pix is nice too, tho.

I'm in for the long haul; when I figure this out, I'll post it up.


I'm resizing teflon seals today, lol.

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I did not find the manuals.

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Driller, if you can tell me what book to buy, I'll do it!
But I found a set on ebay... the real deal.

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Cool beans!!

Thanks for the link; there was apparently a "powertrain..." book, and I've searched for one, but never found it. I think it was a "helm" manual.

Do you think the ATSG manuals that cover the updates, in addition to the linked manuals, will cover everything?

I already have those; the TCC circuits are not mentioned in those at all.

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I've not seen any of the ASTG manuals, so I don't know.

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I already have those; the TCC circuits are not mentioned in those at all.
Hmmm... that makes no sense. I would think it would be.

This is not likely any help?

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I'm interested in what you find. Mine does this also in my drag car. It even locks at the top of first gear. Its only real annoying when its cold and I drive the 100 yards to the first stop sign, it drags the motor down then finally releases. Other than that I think its great for ET's.

I believe Jason Millers also does this.

Mine has been rebuilt a few times. I think with a different VB once. I have a VB from a Marauder I am going to try when I get around to getting the car back together. Its a 95 trans with the extra direct clutches and the mech diode one way.

I used to have one of the B&M shift improver things on it. The electric module that goes inline on the computer wiring. So maybe that fouled the computer that was previously mentioned.

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4R70W--------------------M5R2--------------------AOD
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24psi----------------------15+----------------------none yet
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Here is a log of it locking in 1st. This is with a triple plate CC. I have a log somewhere with a single plate CC its not as noticeable on the graph.


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Black----------------------Red----------------------Grey
3.8-------------------------3.8w/bent rod---------5.0
4R70W--------------------M5R2--------------------AOD
2.4 AR in works---------2.0 Auto Rotor---------N/A
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Is it possible to add a value file that writes something I don't have the ability to change, and then later when I remove that function, the parts I can't write are still there?

Like, can I make changes with PRP and value files that writing my base file back in won't change back?

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Absolutely. This is actually a periodic discussion point on the PRP forum... the only solution is to re-build the tune from scratch referencing all the values you CAN control.

Or - do what I do - and save each tune revision as its own separate file.
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I'm wondering if I used the "Lock TCC on dyno" option, and I can't overwrite it to put it back...


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I'm wondering if I used the "Lock TCC on dyno" option, and I can't overwrite it to put it back...

Thats an interesting thought. But would the OD light flash if that was still set? I remember while getting my car tuned after it came of the dyno the OD light was flashing and the tuner had to go back in to reset that, IIRC.

1995 SC------------------1994 SC----------------1993 LX
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3.8-------------------------3.8w/bent rod---------5.0
4R70W--------------------M5R2--------------------AOD
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Sorry to semi-hijack this thread but I saw up above that Grog6 has changed out the TCC lockup solenoid. I've got what I assume is a bad TCC Solenoid which is causing code P0743 - Torque Converter Clutch (TCC) Solenoid Circuit Electrical. I have a 1995 Thunderbird with 4.6.

I've checked the external portion of the wiring harness coming into the transmission and everything appears fine. I've had problems for a long time with the TCC lockup on the car where it would lock hard and early in third and fourth gears. About a year ago it stopped locking altogether. I'm finally getting around to trying to fix the issue and having problems finding a new solenoid. Ford, Autozone, Advance Auto Parts, and Napa all say they cannot get this part and that none of their stores etc have the part to transfer. I assume my next step is to contact a transmission shop but wanted to ask here first. Can anyone point me to where I can purchase the solenoid if it comes to that? Is the part interchangeable with newer model vehicles with the 4R70W that I could buy the solenoid from?

Also, I gather that I can use a multimeter to test out the solenoid and that I should be able to determine if it is 'good' by the resistance reading. Can I also manually engage the solenoid by applying voltage to the connector with the pan off to check if it is engaging?

Thanks for any help you guys can give. I considered posting a new thread but this one was the closest I found to being applicable and I say Grog6 had bought a solenoid semi-recently.

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I'm using 02 transmissions; your eec requires the older higher impedance TCC, if I remember right.

I don't have any of the 94-95 cars.

You need an old type solenoid.

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I'm finally getting around to trying to fix the issue and having problems finding a new solenoid. Ford, Autozone, Advance Auto Parts, and Napa all say they cannot get this part and that none of their stores etc have the part to transfer.

Also, I gather that I can use a multimeter to test out the solenoid and that I should be able to determine if it is 'good' by the resistance reading. Can I also manually engage the solenoid by applying voltage to the connector with the pan off to check if it is engaging?

Thanks for any help you guys can give. I considered posting a new thread but this one was the closest I found to being applicable and I say Grog6 had bought a solenoid semi-recently.

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You would apply a ground to the TCC solenoid to test its operation, it should feed off the same power that all the rest of the solenoids operate on. The PCM provides the ground. Its either the solenoid, wiring harness, or the PCM itself.

If you DO need a solenoid, I still have a brand new 94/95 TCC Solenoid if you send me a PM.
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I'll try applying a ground to the solenoid to see if it will click and I'll remove it to inspect it visually. I'll probably give this a try in the next several days.

Thanks for the help! I feel like it is going to turn out to be the solenoid so I'll likely be contacting you soon...
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Drop the pan; iirc, a dent in the pan could cause problems by pinching wires...

I have a 96 set of internal wires somewhere... I think the wires are the same.

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Ok, so I've got the pan off now and I've done everything above. Here is what I've done:

1. Removed and inspected the solenoid. It looks perfectly normal.
2. Tested the internal transmission harness with a multi-meter and both of the TCC solenoid wires are showing proper continuity. This is tough to do with so little space and the transmission connector facing upward...
3. Carefully disassembled the TCC solenoid end of the wire harness and bend the tangs on the inside of the metal connectors so they would make better contact. The connector felt a little loose on the solenoid when I first inspected. It would be fantastic if that were my only problem... While the wires were off, I put them on the prongs of the solenoid and made sure they fit snug individually.
4. I reconnected the VPWR VCC wire into the solenoid (white with green strip) and then applied a ground as suggested to the other pin and the solenoid clicked which was a very satisfying thing to hear! This at least makes me think it is good...
5. Reinstalled the solenoid and reconnected the wires after reassembling the wires into the connector body.

I'm about to go grab a new filter to install and put everything back together. Before I do that, do you guys have any other suggestions I should look into? Once it is back together if the problem persists I do have an extra PCM so that will be the next step right? Otherwise it is testing the wiring between the PCM and the transmission connector right?

Let me know if you all have any other thoughts and as usual, thanks for the help!

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The transmission is back together but unfortunately it doesn't appear to be locking up the torque converter in 3rd or 4th. The car has had a harsh engagement of the torque converter clutch for a long time. If it is working now, it certainly isn't working the same as it was and the tach seems to move much more freely than what I recall happening when the clutch was engaged before. The Check Engine light was on before. I cleared it after reassembling everything to see if it would come back on. So far it hasn't yet, but I've only driven about 15-20 miles with it at this point. It's odd, it seems like it is engaging somewhat but it just isn't at all like it used to be...

Any thoughts other than to change the computer next?

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maybe the converter clutch is toast. I would guess you would need to,swap converters or somehow data log the tcc duty cycle.

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On the way home today I noticed that the light has turned back on. I don't think that the converter is engaging at all and I don't think it was even the other day, just wishful thinking on my part most likely. I don't know for sure how this solenoid works. Does it open a valve internal to the solenoid to allow fluid to flow into a passage that activates the torque converter clutch? If so, could it be clogged up such that cleaning it out with compressed air etc may help? Or will that damage the solenoid?

At this point I'm about to be out of town but once I return I'll try testing the wires from the main computer to the transmission to make sure there is no issue there and I'll change out the computer as well if the wires test out ok.

Let me know if any of you have input on the questions above and I'll keep you all posted on what I find.

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[QUOTE=willum;1857642]... I don't know for sure how this solenoid works. Does it open a valve internal to the solenoid to allow fluid to flow into a passage that activates the torque converter clutch? If so, could it be clogged up such that cleaning it out with compressed air etc may help? Or will that damage the solenoid?/QUOTE]

I missed this, sorry.

The solenoid works exactly as you said; opens a valve to pressurize the TCC.

I would not try cleaning it out with compressed air.

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