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post #1 of 8 (permalink) Old 11-30-2016, 04:36 PM Thread Starter
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Please clear up a couple things, please. I've read where the pan gasket is reusable, also read to buy a new one. I think it would be good to buy one and not need it instead of having the car in the air and need it. Also, about how many quarts are going to drain out of the pan? Thanks pros.

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post #2 of 8 (permalink) Old 11-30-2016, 05:48 PM
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You'll get about 4-5 out with the pan, 2 or 3 more if you pull the VB.

I usually buy 6 quarts, and use 5-6 for a fluid and filter change.


Only use Mercon V; I prefer Castrol, it's slightly cheaper, and I've never broken it down, even without a cooler, wbw.


It's about 12 when it's empty, after a rebuild.

I use a big bucket, and a 3'x4'x2" deep pan under it.

Do not do it hot, and don't get it on you; it is not good for your skin.
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You'll get about 4-5 out with the pan, 2 or 3 more if you pull the VB.

I usually buy 6 quarts, and use 5-6 for a fluid and filter change.


Only use Mercon V; I prefer Castrol, it's slightly cheaper, and I've never broken it down, even without a cooler, wbw.


It's about 12 when it's empty, after a rebuild.

I use a big bucket, and a 3'x4'x2" deep pan under it.

Do not do it hot, and don't get it on you; it is not good for your skin.
Thanks Grog6. What about the gasket, reuse or replace?

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Thanks Grog6. What about the gasket, reuse or replace?
All my gaskets are still stock; but they're from 2002...

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If it is the factory gasket, re-use it. If it is an aftermarket gasket, go to Ford and buy a factory gasket. The factory one is metal with the rubber bonded to it, and can be re-used many times and still not leak. The aftermarket ones are just the flexible rubber, and it will eventually start leaking even on the first use, and if you over-tighten the pan with the aftermarket gasket, you can warp the pan, which will also cause leaks.
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If it is the factory gasket, re-use it. If it is an aftermarket gasket, go to Ford and buy a factory gasket. The factory one is metal with the rubber bonded to it, and can be re-used many times and still not leak. The aftermarket ones are just the flexible rubber, and it will eventually start leaking even on the first use, and if you over-tighten the pan with the aftermarket gasket, you can warp the pan, which will also cause leaks.
This info is very valuable. Thanks everyone. I bought my '95 bird in 2006 with about 85,000 miles on it. It was owned by a Ford salesman who needed a van, and didn't care about profit, he just wanted a quick turn. I happily paid $2300. Anyway, he assured me, and I had a good feeling, the car always had good service at the dealership where it was traded in by the original owner, a retired school teacher who bought the car at Harbor Ford in Costa Mesa Ca. Maybe why there is no traction lock, or anti-lock brakes.

At 120,000 miles I had a flush done, but I don't know if the filter was changed. Now at 165,000, it must be done. I'm thinking I can do this myself, but at age 73, I don't feel like putting so much effort into a job like this. Therefore, after ruling out having the job done at a transmission shop, an auto shop, or Jiffy Lube, I'm going to gather the materials and my friends at American Iron, in Eagle Point, where I have my exhaust work done, and who I really trust, will do the work.

Even though I have the factory service manual, I've already learned things here which contradict it. It is in there I read to use a new gasket.

Even though I am 73, I want to own my car until the day I die, and I plan on living into my 100's. Therefore, when the time comes, I will have a rebuild with a J-mod done.

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When the time comes, don't bother rebuilding that trans. The 98+ 4R70 has much better components, and is a better place to start. I would rather have a low mileage used 98+ trans than a freshly rebuild 95 trans.
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I find it easiest to pull a hose from the radiator and run the car for a minute, to get most of the fluid from the pan. Then, remove the plug from the torque converter to drain it. When you finish, everything combined can be as much as 11-12 qts you are replacing.

IF you don't drain the TC, you will find, as I did since our CVPI doesn't have one, that you only get like 4 1/2 qts from the system. Which is a very incomplete job. I ended up running another 8 qts thru the system for good measure.

There was a technical bulletin on the TCCOA tech article site that has helpful hints about the fluid change, but I could not find it the other day.

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