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Okay.. I have a bump in the road.. I picked up a 2001 4r70w Transmission out of a Grand Marquis.. I know I have to use My Manual lever position sensor ( MLPS ) but the lever itself is completely different.. Do I have to take the valve body out to swap the actual lever.. I was under the impression you can swap the leavers from the outside?
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post #2 of 12 (permalink) Old 10-25-2018, 04:48 PM
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You have to swap it with our lever.

Make sure it matches the position of the original tranny.

You have to pull the pan off.

There's a tiny roll pin to remove, and a nut, so it comes out.

https://forums.tccoa.com/955-4r70w-t...ment-help.html

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You have to swap it with our lever.

Make sure it matches the position of the original tranny.

You have to pull the pan off.

There's a tiny roll pin to remove, and a nut, so it comes out.

https://forums.tccoa.com/955-4r70w-t...ment-help.html

Got it thanks again man.. wasn't too bad to fix.. I got the connector repined last night.. Now I'm on to start getting it in the car..

Its kinda messed up tho because when I went to move the transmission off the bench it got caught up on a screwdriver underneath it ( go figure ).. so when I rolled it back over it broke the main case connector .. bent the pins slightly.. But lucky It only broke a small piece it didn't break the clip part.. just a little chunk on the outside .. so it will still hold on there.. I think ill just cover the outside with a little rtv to keep water out.. but that really pisses me off .. esp when that's the last thing I need to happen.. I'm not about to pull that VB again..

Much appreciate your help on this again.. I'll keep you posted on how it turns out
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Search my posts; I swap these as a wear item, lol.

If you didn't put in new seals, it may not last long, tho.

01 is 17 years old; the last 02 I took apart, the rubber is hard.

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Search my posts; I swap these as a wear item, lol.

If you didn't put in new seals, it may not last long, tho.

01 is 17 years old; the last 02 I took apart, the rubber is hard.
I know.. My transmission guy is booked until February.. I have a 6 month warranty on that Unit.. But I'll plan to have him overhaul it then.. I wanted to get in in the car to see what happens and go from there.. Im just running out of good weather here in Colorado.. I have a 4 day window to get it in the car..
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It should work for at least a year, unless you hammer on it.

Avoid 3-4 and 4-3 shifts as much as possible, by using the OD off button on the shifter around town.

There's a lot of heat with those shifts.

Adding a large cooler when you put it in helps a Lot.

You may notice a 'neutraling' of the tranny on the 3-4 shift, under low throttle shifts; it needs a tune to fix properly; just don't nail it while it's doing that, it will neutral drop, and that's hard on things.

Read these threads for more info:

https://forums.tccoa.com/955-4r70w-t...ter-j-mod.html

This is important, lol:
"Do not put the tranny in place before you do the manual lever replacement with the one from your old transmission; it won't come out in the tunnel, lol."


https://www.tccoa.com/forums/13-driv...ce-tranny.html

https://forums.tccoa.com/13-drive-tr...sion-time.html

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It should work for at least a year, unless you hammer on it.

Avoid 3-4 and 4-3 shifts as much as possible, by using the OD off button on the shifter around town.

There's a lot of heat with those shifts.

Adding a large cooler when you put it in helps a Lot.

You may notice a 'neutraling' of the tranny on the 3-4 shift, under low throttle shifts; it needs a tune to fix properly; just don't nail it while it's doing that, it will neutral drop, and that's hard on things.

Read these threads for more info:

https://forums.tccoa.com/955-4r70w-t...ter-j-mod.html

This is important, lol:
"Do not put the tranny in place before you do the manual lever replacement with the one from your old transmission; it won't come out in the tunnel, lol."


https://www.tccoa.com/forums/13-driv...ce-tranny.html

https://forums.tccoa.com/13-drive-tr...sion-time.html

Okay I have a real issue going on here.. Got everything in the car yesterday have it all hooked up added 6 quarts of trans fluid.. Its acting like my engine is seizing up.. The only thing I can figure its the Torque converter acting up.. What should I do? .. I'm ready to look at it with a hammer..
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Did it already have fluid in it and you're adding more, or are you trying to fill it from empty? My 4r70 needed like 15 quarts to fully fill it after its Jmod and TC change. Plus make sure its Mercon V, these trans dont like other stuff.

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Did it already have fluid in it and you're adding more, or are you trying to fill it from empty? My 4r70 needed like 15 quarts to fully fill it after its Jmod and TC change. Plus make sure its Mercon V, these trans dont like other stuff.
Trying to fill it from empty.. I read to put 6 quarts in first and then start the car.. but now the motor is completely seized up.. I cant get to the torque converter bolts.. I have already got all the junk out of the way to get the tranny out I have the bolts loose.. I had the whole car assembled and ready to go.. and im just beyond myself right now trying to fix this..

Even with the trans bolts loose.. it still wont budge.. Probably ruined the damn thing..

Very frustrating
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I read on the ford Truck forums that its due to the Torque converter not being properly seated.. so now I have even bigger problems as I likely broke the pump while doing this..
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My pi swap had a problem with this; always turn it over with a wrench before trying to start it.

My buddy tried to pull the TC out to meet the flywheel; don't do that.

You have to pull the engine out to get it to go in; IDK how much damage it does, I didn't try to start mine.

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My pi swap had a problem with this; always turn it over with a wrench before trying to start it.

My buddy tried to pull the TC out to meet the flywheel; don't do that.

You have to pull the engine out to get it to go in; IDK how much damage it does, I didn't try to start mine.

It turned before I started it.. When I started it it ran maybe 15 seconds then locked up.. the TC is bound to the transmission.. I cant get them to separate.. I suspect major damage will be done to both the converter and transmission..

Very disappointed.. I should have read up about the converter.. This rookie mistake has costed me dearly.. Pretty much to the point where I'm gonna push the car out.. I'll probably send it off and have it done..

I'll try to get it out this morning ill see if I can rotate the motor backwards and free it up but if not its outta here..

If I have to pull the motor ill just do the PI swap..
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