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Attn. Shoppers...Price check on 4r70w

Found this for my 95 bird, and am needing to know if this sounds good. Need to get asap, as the current one is about to die.


Year: 2000

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These are highly engineered precision vehicles, the first step in diagnosing the problem is to strike the suspected offending part sharply and repeatedly with a blunt object, then re-test.
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sounds great to me
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Yep-that's a pretty decent price.
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cool. Just wasn't sure about the mileage/price ratio. Don't want to overpay for a trans. w/ too many miles on it.

These are highly engineered precision vehicles, the first step in diagnosing the problem is to strike the suspected offending part sharply and repeatedly with a blunt object, then re-test.
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sounds like a very good price to me

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That's an awsome deal, if there were 2, I'd pick it up also.



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Dave-Greenleaf in Leominster has a '98 Crown Vic trans listed with 1K miles on it.They have a note to call for pricing info-you might be able to score a good deal on it,and it'll be alot better than that old '95 trans.
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Thanks JL, they are probably closed today

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What would be too much for the trans, what should my cut off be?

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Thanks JL, they are probably closed today

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What would be too much for the trans, what should my cut off be?

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Well,I picked up an '01 CV trans for $340 with only 7K miles on it.
If you can get it for $450-500,I would consider that a good deal.
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AT,8 CYL,ID F8ZP-BA AND PKF-AB,13K

550.00

Will Cobra Trans' work?

For the Crown Vic, Do we want police or not poilce or does it even matter?

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I thought all 98 Cobras had 5 speeds....
And no, the Police/Towncar trannies have a longer output shaft, you need the smaller one.

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Me too, but this was listed as an automatic???

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Me too, but this was listed as an automatic???

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Be careful of anywhere that lists the trans wrong-most of the time they're selling a 3.8L trans and it's listed as a 4.6L.
Like GB said..you want a non-Police for the ext housing and shaft differences.
You'll also have to remember that most of the transmissions after '98 used in cars are 8-tooth speedo drive gear on the output shaft,so if you're running 3.73 or steeper-you'll need a speedcal to get the VSS output right.
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You'll also have to remember that most of the transmissions after '98 used in cars are 8-tooth speedo drive gear on the output shaft,so if you're running 3.73 or steeper-you'll need a speedcal to get the VSS output right.
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I will be running 3.73's, the same day, swapping at time of trans.

What is a speedcal......calibration? If so, where do I get one?

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I will be running 3.73's, the same day, swapping at time of trans.

What is a speedcal......calibration? If so, where do I get one?

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Dallas Mustang and Brother's performance sell them,along with a few other companies.It's a device that wires in series with the VSS and allows you to set the VSS signal to make the speedo perfect for any gear ratio,tire size,etc..
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I took a look at Brother Performance's website, and it says this is so you don't have to change speedo gears.

Couldn't I just get a 8 tooth speedo gear rather than shelling out the 85 bucks, or is this a necessity for all tranny swaps?

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The output shafts on the Tbird are a 7-tooth drive gear for the VSS/Speedo gear.The CV uses an 8-tooth,and the TBird speedo driven gear will report the wrong speedo reading since it will be turning at a different speed on the 8-tooth drive gear.
Here's the problem...To use the 8-tooth drive gear-the available driven gears are only good for up to 3.55 ratio,and then you'll be using the basard 23 tooth gear that's not very durable,and is failure prone due to the thickness of the teeth on it.
You can use your OE speedo gear with the 8-tooth by simply getting a speedcal,and you can change the gear ratio to any ratio available,and any tire size,by simply using the calculator on the Dallas Mustang site to set the speecal's dip switches.
It's not "mandatory" for a trans swap-your speedo will simply be wrong,so shift points,TCC lockup,etc will all be off.
For example...a TBird has a 7-tooth drive gear,and with 3.27's uses an 18 tooth grey speedo gear with the stock tire height.
The Mustang has an 8-tooth drive gear,and with 3.27's uses a 21 tooth purple speedo gear with the stock tire height.
So..if you use 3.27's in your Tbird with the Mustang 4R70W,you'll need the purple speedo gear.
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Alright I think I get it now, OE speedo gear and Speedcal = correct way to do it.

Thanks for all ya help JL

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Found this for my 95 bird, and am needing to know if this sounds good. Need to get asap, as the current one is about to die.


Year: 2000

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$395
That's a good deal, I found my 02 4R70W w/500 miles for $450.
And fully upgraded it to J's spec's for another $400 That includes a B&M deep trans pan. Keep an eye on all the mustang boards and greenleaf. I changed my output shaft w/ a new upgraded 7 tooth. -Rob

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And fully upgraded it to J's spec's for another $400
400 bucks, what did you upgrade? J-Mod, Deep Sump? What else?

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$100 something for outputshaft thats your choice or speedcal... B&M pan $150, banner kit, friction plates tailshaft mod....
JL helped me out quite a bit also. -Rob

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I'm sure he'll chime in at some point......I am going with the speedcal, so the other stuff might be nice.

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If it's a low mileage trans,you only need to do a couple of things...pull the front pump,and replace the failure prone OWC retainer ring with the spiral retainer lockring,change out the manual lever to the Tbird configuration,and j-mod the plate.
And of course-pull the lower spring from the 1-2(if you want a nice firm 1-2 shift),and all of the springs from the 2-3.
If you want to maximize the trans while it's out,change the OD servo unless it's the larger 2.7" servo,and swap out to the higher pressure 5.4L EPC solenoid.
I'd rewire the harness,and trim the TCC solenoid from your trans(better yet-get a new one and trim it to fit) to work with the newer style in-pan plastic electrical connector.you will need the older style tcc solenoid in your car
I'd use the OE pan from the '98-up..it's plenty good for all but the most extreme apps.
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JL........The Spiral Retainer Lock Ring, and Manual lever to T-Bird Config.....Can this stuff be bought from Dan Newman or another parts dealer. "Swap out the 5.4L EPC Selenoid", Is this already in the car, and I should buy a new one, or do I need to upgrade to this one?

Last Questions JL, I promise....

I cannot order them from Dan Newman due to shipping taking too long, I have a parts dealer (93lx). What year transmissions are the above parts from, so I can give him the right information.

Also, Approximately how much does the above stuff cost ?

FLABIRD LISTED:banner kit, friction plates tailshaft mod....

Is this necessary and what are parts need for this.

Thanks So Much

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JL sells the parts to do the forced lube mod, its just something directly from the jerry thesis.

I would say that its not necessary it depends on your power level though.
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Like JL said with a 00 trans you should only need to.... Pull the front pump, and replace the failure prone OWC retainer ring with the spiral retainer lockring,change out the manual lever to the Tbird configuration, and j-mod the plate.
And of course-pull the lower spring from the 1-2(if you want a nice firm 1-2 shift),and all of the springs from the 2-3.
If you want to maximize the trans while it's out,change the OD servo unless it's the larger 2.7" servo & spring ,and swap out to the higher pressure 5.4L EPC solenoid. These changes and the tail shaft mod are basically what I did. Read through the Ford Overdrive Transmissions 101. -Rob

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JL........The Spiral Retainer Lock Ring, and Manual lever to T-Bird Config.....Can this stuff be bought from Dan Newman or another parts dealer. "Swap out the 5.4L EPC Selenoid", Is this already in the car, and I should buy a new one, or do I need to upgrade to this one?

Last Questions JL, I promise....

I cannot order them from Dan Newman due to shipping taking too long, I have a parts dealer (93lx). What year transmissions are the above parts from, so I can give him the right information.

Also, Approximately how much does the above stuff cost ?

FLABIRD LISTED:banner kit, friction plates tailshaft mod....

Is this necessary and what are parts need for this.

Thanks So Much

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The spiral retainer is available from Bulkpart.com(if they ever replenished their stock),as well as the front pump paper gasket.
The EPC solenoid you're after is #XL3Z-7G383-AA(or BA depends on the revision that the dealer lists),and is not in your '95 trans.It may be in the '01 trans-it was on my '01 Crown Vic trans that I just got,just check the number before you order.The OD servo you need is the F75Z-7H188-AA.It's 2.7" OD,and applies more pressure to the OD band to prevent slippage during application.Many of the '01 transmissions come with this part-pull the pan and VB to check the number on it.
The banner kit and frictions are for a rebuild of the trans,and to add clutches for more torque capacity.
I offer the tailshaft mod already finished and ready to install for those that are not comfortable drilling/tapping their extension housing,and do not have or have not made their own tool to remove/install the bushing.
The manual lever is the lever that the shifter cable is attached to,and will be different on any the various applications.
More questions..fire away..
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What is reccommended power level for that mod.

I am probably around 200 @ the wheels now, and with an SCT dyno tune, 100 shot of nitrous, and PI intake....

I'd GUESS maybe 325rwhp on the juice, 225 on the motor.

Number are probably off, but again it's a guess.
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What is reccommended power level for that mod.

I am probably around 200 @ the wheels now, and with an SCT dyno tune, 100 shot of nitrous, and PI intake....

I'd GUESS maybe 325rwhp on the juice, 225 on the motor.

Number are probably off, but again it's a guess.
It's more a durability mod than anything,and helps prevent the bushing from spinning/walking in the housing from lack of lube with the higher driveshaft speeds from gears steeper than stock.
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Okay, you forced me.........

1. What year car is the retainer, and pump gasket from so I buy the right one?

2. The tailshaft mod, is it hard to do, and what is your price for it?

3. The manual lever, I will have to get the one that corrisponds with the new trans....ex..98 Crown Vic = 98 Crown vic manual lever?

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