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4R70W Trans Filter

Does the pan keep the filter from falling out?

I changed the filter and the new one doesnt get bolted in or anything! When I test fitted the filter on, it fell of after 5 min. Just want to make sure the filter isnt just floating around in there!

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If the new filter fell out you didn't get the rubber ring from the old filter out. Thats bad and you need to go back in and get it before you hurt the transmision from oil starvation.
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There was an orange seal up in there, but it didnt come from the filter I took out. I thought it was okay to leave that seal cause the filter I took out was stuck up in there fine. The seal looked much thicker than one that would fall off a filter anyway. It did prevent the filter from pushing all the way up in.

A shop changed the fluid 40k miles ago - I guess they didnt notice the seal - but like I said, that filter stayed in fine so I thought mine would be okay.

The filter wanted to droop down on one side when I put it up in there. So what you are saying is that if the filter drooped down on one side the pan would not hold it? The suction from the pump should suck it up in there if it was still barely connected, shouldn't it? Also, wouldn't the oil flooding the pan when I filled it lift it up some too?

Dammit!

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That extra seal has to come out. The only seal that is supposed to be up in there is the one that is on the filter you are putting in. That is how it is held in place.
You can ruin your transmission if you don't go get that old seal out of there.
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If I take the upper line off the radiator, hook up a drain hose, start the car and the fluid pumps out fine like before, wouldnt that show that the filter is indeed connected? And if it sputters it is not connected?

Trying to avoid tearing the pan off unless I know the filter is not on! Like I was saying, that seal did not keep that last filter from staying up there just fine.

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No, that won't prove anything and that filter will not stay in place. Trust me, I have done a lot of work on these transmissions. That pump doesn't suck like a vacuum and any little leak around atht seal and you are losing pressure and doing damage. A lot of the failed transmissions I see have an extra seal there. It isn't coincidence. It may have worked with that one filter, but it won't work for all of them. Remember that the car bounces. It will bounce loose, I guarantee it.
You have to ask yourself if this is worth a transmission to you. Is it worth that to save a half an hour and a little mess. Please do the right thing.
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Okay, thanks for your help! It was only driven yesterday and today, I will get the car at lunch.

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Took the old seal out. The filter fits much better!

Another Mercon V bath wasn't too bad and now I wont have to wonder if the filter is on or off!

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Not a problem. Glad I could help
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post #11 of 14 (permalink) Old 03-13-2006, 05:06 PM
 
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why is there a small hole in the filter, is there supposed to be some kind of retaining bolt?
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Sorry to jump in ,

Whats the part number for the filter and does Autozone carry it ?

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A hole? do you have a pic?

Personally, I don't trust that o-ring to hold the filter in place. There are millions of those trannies running just fine with only the o-ring, but after installing the filter on mine, I like to use safety wire and secure the filter to the valvebody "just in case."

Maybe I'm just paranoid about that...
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Yeah, the o-ring doesnt seem like enough to keep the filter from sliding down. But the pan will keep it from completely coming disconnected if it does.

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