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Question Why do I get both tires???

i have checked the axle codes and i'm almost sure i do not have a t-lok rear end.when i nail it off the line the back end goes out to the side,which is cool lol.when it's raining under light throttle it does this as well.i have done mini brake stands on pavement and both tires are spinning as well.why would this be???it's not a problem at all,i've just always wondered why this is.thx for the info in advance.

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Maybe someone swapped a TL rear in.

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it's possible, but i bought it from an old guy who didn't know crap about the car...this has always kinda baffled me???

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whats the axle code?

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Just because you don't have a t-loc doesn't mean your car CAN'T send power to both wheels. A T-Loc just kinda ensures it does. A differential is designed to allow one wheel to travel faster than the other while cornering. It IS supposed to send power to both wheels when all else is equal.

Try putting one wheel on loose sand or gravel, and the other wheel on dry pavement, and see what happens when you hit it. (be sure you have lots of room and that flying sand won't hurt anyone first of course)


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It is possible with an open rear that is IRS to smoke em both.

there is no twisting effect from the drive shaft applied to the axle like a solid axle has.

That's why on solid axle open rear car's the right wheel always spins. (it's kinda lifted from the torque of the drive shaft.

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Just because you don't have a t-loc doesn't mean your car CAN'T send power to both wheels. A T-Loc just kinda ensures it does. A differential is designed to allow one wheel to travel faster than the other while cornering. It IS supposed to send power to both wheels when all else is equal.

Try putting one wheel on loose sand or gravel, and the other wheel on dry pavement, and see what happens when you hit it. (be sure you have lots of room and that flying sand won't hurt anyone first of course)
Even if he has a Track-Loc, that extreme of a test might only spin one wheel. The spring that loads the clutches is kinda week.

The best way to check would be to jack both wheels off of the ground and try to turn one side while it's in park. If it spins fairly easy and the wheel on the other-side turns the opposite way. then you have an open rear. If you cant turn the wheel or it takes allot of effort to turn the wheel, then you have a Track-Loc.

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Even if he has a Track-Loc, that extreme of a test might only spin one wheel. The spring that loads the clutches is kinda week.

The best way to check would be to jack both wheels off of the ground and try to turn one side while it's in park. If it spins fairly easy and the wheel on the other-side turns the opposite way. then you have an open rear. If you cant turn the wheel or it takes allot of effort to turn the wheel, then you have a Track-Loc.
well, I don't think sand like on a beach would be a good idea, but some sand on the road would be a better choice. Or even better: a small patch of ice.

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well, I don't think sand like on a beach would be a good idea, but some sand on the road would be a better choice. Or even better: a small patch of ice.
LOL Well, I was assuming he wouldn't try to park on a beach and spin his tires... Ice would work as well. ClintD is also right, just jack the car up and try turning the wheels.


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ok, thx guys i'll try it tomorrow... the jacking it up part.a beach might be stretchin it in the winter lol

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i can get both wheels to spin......for about 100 feet

then the driver's side tire spins and the car gets sideways..wich again is cool but it would be nice to have both wheels spinning
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I put t-lok in my car yesterday, i spin both tires now only problem is now i get wheelhop

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i hear u there 351cat, i have wheel hop too. i think that means its time for me to make some subframe connectors and suspension. work with some bracing too since it'll be in the shop all winter. suppose could do that when i'm not working on the body

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I put t-lok in my car yesterday, i spin both tires now only problem is now i get wheelhop

I would try a new set of shocks.

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that's def. on the agenda, and i'm gonna get me some of those nifty air lift bags too.

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i have a trakloc but my left rear is bald, rest have 50%. in rain ill either hop or spinout. on dirty/sandy roads it will spin left right left right for 100ft or so. when i bought it i could breaktorque and get both to spin. never could do donuts, one wheel spins and i hop in a circle.
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i have a trakloc but my left rear is bald, rest have 50%. in rain ill either hop or spinout. on dirty/sandy roads it will spin left right left right for 100ft or so. when i bought it i could breaktorque and get both to spin. never could do donuts, one wheel spins and i hop in a circle.
sounds like its time for some new clutches in the rear.

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For wheel hop the bags do a great job and so does a larger rear bar. I do not have a wheel hop problem and mine is a stick.

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For wheel hop the bags do a great job and so does a larger rear bar. I do not have a wheel hop problem and mine is a stick.
I've never had whell hop in my car either.....even though its an auto.
I run a 4.10 gear out back with a track lock and slicks....no wheel hop!

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I don't have wheel hop. NEVER experienced it. But I'm backed and have a 1 3/8's sway bar. Plus koni's. as for donuts I've noticed the trick is to mash the gas while straight. The stock TL can't handle going into a corner and punching it. Well in mine anyway. PI and 3.73's and big tires. But if you punch it and then spin it around it will spin around all day long. I plan on reclutching and putting an F150 S Spring in it. Should fix all my problems.

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Yea, try the wheel turning trick. If they turn opposite ways, it's open.
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my 1990 t-bird is a base model it dont have the t-loc and it will hook up posi and i have never done any modification to the rear end. its fun as hell to make the people with V8 camaros and **** like that drop their jaw bc my V6 is doing burn outs better than thair cars haha i get better gas milage and i can still win burn-out contests
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really? I would like to see that?

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Actually, my old v6 could burn better than my v8. . . let me rephrase that - my v6 would squeal, whille my v8 can barely make a chirp.

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I'm still waiting for Pinkfloyd to prove his statement. Better Gas mileage and better burnouts. My cougar got 31MPG interstate regularly. 24 mixed. and if I powerbraked the car I could leave 30ft marks on the road. I now have a 3.73 cobra rearend and 3500 stall converter and I have serious traction issues on street tires... although mileage is down to 26. Price you pay for almost 300RWHP and very ****TY tune though.

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Actually, my old v6 could burn better than my v8. . . let me rephrase that - my v6 would squeal, whille my v8 can barely make a chirp.

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Tires have a lot to do with that; The old,hard Cooper tires that were on my red Car when I bought it would do burnouts until you let off; a real pain in the azz, esp in the rain, lol.

The BFG tires I have on the black one now will (barely) spin, but make almost no noise. The same tires but two years older spin fairly easily on the Red car.

By the same token, 245/50 tires are harder to spin than the stock 205/70s...

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Same tires on both. They went from one car to the other. . . left me very confused to say the least.

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it also has to do with what the road is made out of. Here in WA my tires make no squalls when doing burnouts. In NC though they are louder than hell when they spin.

245/50? isn't that too big? I think 245/45 is the correct size but I could be wrong.

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my buddy has a 93-95 bird and his will spin both tires he says it has "traction control" and that he can switch it on and off" not sure if thast 100% accurate or not.

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My 94 4.6 with 3.27 open rear would spin both tires no problem .. it's a loss of traction on both tires that makes them both spin.

Traction control = Firm ride for the shocks.
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