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Locating Traction Lock

The time has come for my rear end gear ratio change to 3.73's. I have already acquired the frpp 3.73's but i need a traction lock carrier. I called my local ford dealer today only to find out that the loaded traction lock differentials are no longer available for the 96 tbird 8.8 The traction lock is only available in seperate parts.

What i am wondering is can i order a traction lock designed for an IRS cobra? 99 for example. I assume that the newer cars probably still have the traction lock carriers loaded still available...

My next choice would obviously be to get a used one from a junkyard. However, what cars had the traction locks? I understand that some of the manual trans SC's had traction lock 8.8s but how do i know just by looking at the carrier?

Any other ideas would be appreciated. Thanks everyone.
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the tags are usually on the top right hand side of the pumpkin until a certain year. When I found mine the tag read 3 08 L.....the L stands for locking. Obviously you know what the # 08 stands for. But I just pushed my thumb on it for like 10 seconds then looked at my thumb and read it backwards....I did a bit of searching and came to find out that my winter beater at the time had a traction lock in it....How bright of me! But anyways it was a 81 crown vic. All I had to do was replace the clutch pack which I believe ran me about 80 bucks. I payed someone else to install everything, all that shimming crap takes some experience.

Im not sure what all Ford cars had the 8.8 that would also have a traction lock, but crown vics are a good starting point and they are abundant.

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I am also intrested in this I orderd a trac loc 3 weeks ago and im still waiting im going to get a refond so i also would like to know what other cars I can steel one from. or wear I can get order one?
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the tags are usually on the top right hand side of the pumpkin until a certain year. When I found mine the tag read 3 08 L.....the L stands for locking. Obviously you know what the # 08 stands for. But I just pushed my thumb on it for like 10 seconds then looked at my thumb and read it backwards....I did a bit of searching and came to find out that my winter beater at the time had a traction lock in it....How bright of me! But anyways it was a 81 crown vic. All I had to do was replace the clutch pack which I believe ran me about 80 bucks. I payed someone else to install everything, all that shimming crap takes some experience.

Im not sure what all Ford cars had the 8.8 that would also have a traction lock, but crown vics are a good starting point and they are abundant.
Hmm... Okay do you happen to know how i would know if it really is a traction lock if the carrier is uninstalled? Our ford yard that we get our parts from pulls the parts for us and the last thing i need is to take the carrier to the differential shop only to find out its open.

Do the crown vics have an IRS? I thought that the traction locks for these cars needed to be from an IRS car or am i mistaken? Thanks again.
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Also... i understand that the mustang traction locks CAN be made to work. I understand that the side gears are different, and the mustang side gears can be machined to work with the tbird components. My question is are the side gears interchangeable? I.E. can i get the new LOADED t lock carrier meant for... say a 2001 mustang GT 8.8 rear end then buy the side gears meant for a t-lock tbird 8.8 rear end and have the shop install the tbird side gears to the mustang carrier?

The reason i ask is because i assume that a carrier meant for a 2001 mustang GT is most likely still available from ford. Also because my ford parts guy said the tlock components are available for the tbird carrier (i'm guessing for the use of rebuilds) therefore i could probably get the proper tbird side gears. Thanks again everyone.
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i noticed that summit racing has a TL for our cars, for about $225.88

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Well as far as telling wether a uninstalled carrier is a traction lock or not, I have not the slightest clue, I will ask a few people that know everything about the ford 9'' and see if they know. Otherwise I would ask the people at the Ford yard, maybe the guy with the grayest hair, atleast were I am from those guys know that stuff in and out, just from talking to them is where I gain knowledge.

Crown Vics do not have IRS, and just because we have IRS, we dont need the T-Loc out of an IRS car, the T-Loc assembly comes out of the pumpkin, essentially the pumpkins are the same on all 8.8 rear ends, its the setup of the suspension outside of the pumpkin which makes a car IRS.

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Ohh and as for the 01 mustang bit, if the 8.8 is the same, I don't see why JUST the T-LOC wouldnt work, however I have limited expereince with any newer cars rear end, I have dealt with a 81 and 92 crown vic, and a 93 T bird.....And several ford 9''...So before you make a decision on that I would talk to someone who knows about the newer rear ends.

As far as getting one from a yard, I would still find one from a VIC just cause someone may charge more for one out of a mustang than a 4 door boat, ya know? There is a huge demand on stang parts, and a small market from vic parts, although it is essentially the same part.

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Crown Vics do not have IRS, and just because we have IRS, we dont need the T-Loc out of an IRS car, the T-Loc assembly comes out of the pumpkin, essentially the pumpkins are the same on all 8.8 rear ends, its the setup of the suspension outside of the pumpkin which makes a car IRS.
You are not correct sir. (no offense intended whatsoever) The side gears in the differential carrier are different between live axle cars and IRS cars. The Live Axle cars have c-clips that hold them into the carrier. The IRS cars have a circlip. You can get IRS axles into a Live axle carrier, but chances are you will never get them out again because of the slight difference in the machining of the gears. A few have had success using the Live Axle carrier and taking the circlips off of the IRS axles... or you can get them machined. Best thing to do is find a MN12 or FN10 that has t-lock and use that. I'm not 100 percent sure on the IRS cobra carrier, but i think they had 31 spline axles where the mn12 uses 28 spline...

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yes the cobra carrier is 31 spline but tha cobra hubs are 28 spline so you could use the cobra half shafts if thay are the same length.
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Hmm interesting. I could have sworn that the 99 cobras had IRS obviously AND 28 splines? I thought only the later models had 31 spline. I know for sure the supercharged terminators had the 31. Anyone clarify?

Still nobody knows if you can just swap sidegears? Meaning getting a 01 mustang carrier and having the differential shop swap to the tbird side gears? Thanks everyone.
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i noticed that summit racing has a TL for our cars, for about $225.88

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That particular model is listed for a 7.5". However, our parts vendor for tccoa mentioned that there is in fact a ford racing unit available. I haven't heard back from him yet as far as more information. Hopefully tomorrow.
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Hmm interesting. I could have sworn that the 99 cobras had IRS obviously AND 28 splines? I thought only the later models had 31 spline. I know for sure the supercharged terminators had the 31. Anyone clarify?

Still nobody knows if you can just swap sidegears? Meaning getting a 01 mustang carrier and having the differential shop swap to the tbird side gears? Thanks everyone.

Yes the 99-01 Cobra are 28 spline same as ours.

Use a standard Mustang tracloc and remove the clips from your axles since the outer hub will never let the axles leave the housing anyway.
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That particular model is listed for a 7.5". However, our parts vendor for tccoa mentioned that there is in fact a ford racing unit available. I haven't heard back from him yet as far as more information. Hopefully tomorrow.
it's for an 8.8 it's a miss print
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yes the cobra carrier is 31 spline but tha cobra hubs are 28 spline so you could use the cobra half shafts if thay are the same length.
I think the Cobra Shafts are alittle short.But I am not too sure.


As long as the Diff tag is still on the housing to should have no problem with identifying a Trak-Lok.Just look for a 3L08, or 3L27.


Or if you can look at a door jam of a Bird or Cougar.

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Fact is Thunderbirds and Cougars are everwhere.You should be able to find somthing.


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I think the Cobra Shafts are alittle short.But I am not too sure.


As long as the Diff tag is still on the housing to should have no problem with identifying a Trak-Lok.Just look for a 3L08, or 3L27.


Or if you can look at a door jam of a Bird or Cougar.



Fact is Thunderbirds and Cougars are everwhere.You should be able to find somthing.


Good luck.

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Cobra half shafts will not work on our cars (I have a Cobra IRS in my Mustang)
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You are not correct sir. (no offense intended whatsoever) The side gears in the differential carrier are different between live axle cars and IRS cars. The Live Axle cars have c-clips that hold them into the carrier. The IRS cars have a circlip. You can get IRS axles into a Live axle carrier, but chances are you will never get them out again because of the slight difference in the machining of the gears. A few have had success using the Live Axle carrier and taking the circlips off of the IRS axles... or you can get them machined. Best thing to do is find a MN12 or FN10 that has t-lock and use that. I'm not 100 percent sure on the IRS cobra carrier, but i think they had 31 spline axles where the mn12 uses 28 spline...
no offense taken. If you are just talking about the the center section I don't know what is different, i Know exactly what the c- clips are, ciclip I dunno....Like i said i paid someone to put it in my car, but I know for a fact taht my t-lock worked out of my crown vic, all I did was replace the clutch pack, and i was good to go.

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Yes the 99-01 Cobra are 28 spline same as ours.

Use a standard Mustang tracloc and remove the clips from your axles since the outer hub will never let the axles leave the housing anyway.
I researched this a bit more and i have found that the 99 cobras ONLY had 28 splines. Can anyone verify this? I know that there was only the cobra R in 2000 and all the 2002 cobras got sent to australia? Something like that... therefore there was only 99, 01, 03, 04 cobra's WITH an IRS. I know for sure the terminators had the 31 splines, and i had previously thought that 2001 was also 31 but since Nick mentioned it now i am unsure. Again anyone verify?
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it's for an 8.8 it's a miss print
Sorry about that sik97bird. That is probably the same part that 93lx was speaking of (our ford parts vendor on this site). Thank you for the point in the right direction. I'm sure this will help others when they want to swap in a trak lock only to find out the carriers for the tbirds are obsolete.
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I actually looked up the part number in my ford racing catalog and even in the catalog it is listed as 7.5."
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no offense taken. If you are just talking about the the center section I don't know what is different, i Know exactly what the c- clips are, ciclip I dunno....Like i said i paid someone to put it in my car, but I know for a fact taht my t-lock worked out of my crown vic, all I did was replace the clutch pack, and i was good to go.

If they did not remove the little clips on the inside edge of the IRS axles you will have a biach of a time trying to get your axles back out of that trac loc. It goes together but doesn't want to come apart.
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If they did not remove the little clips on the inside edge of the IRS axles you will have a biach of a time trying to get your axles back out of that trac loc. It goes together but doesn't want to come apart.
Hmm well i can understand that I guess......I will be finding this out if I ever decide to upgrade my axles then!

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I have actually ready that post last night found some GOOD stuff in there. I was just looking for more confirmation from those that are knowledgeable. Thanks again everyone...

Heard from 93LX this morning and the 99 cobra units are obsolete just as the tbird units. They are in fact the same exact part number.
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