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FRPP 3.73 part number

Is M-4209-F373N the correct part number? Does the "M" mean motive? If so, is there any other option, since everywhere I read says stay away from motive.

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I'm doing a little research myself on where I read that....

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http://www.mustangworld.com/forums/s...d.php?t=442694

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What's the deal with Motive?

I've had 3.73 FRPP gears (with that part number) for over two years without any problems.

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1 thing about gears.......I buy used gears.....I have never had a problem with whine.
It seams that those with issues have issues with how the gear was installed.
There are tons of people happy with their motive gears....I personally stay away from them...

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Is M-4209-F373N the correct part number? Does the "M" mean motive? If so, is there any other option, since everywhere I read says stay away from motive.

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My son just put a set in his Mark VIII. Rear end mechanic said it was a heavy duty set. I have had a set for 3 years +, no problems and I be rough.

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M-3601-B Ford Racing Steering wheel
M-9593-B302F Ford Racing 30# injector set
M-6766-N303 Ford Racing Breather cap
M-12297-L901 Ford Racing Billet Plug Wire separator kit

See where I am going with this? The 'M' at the beginning of the part number is designating 'Ford Racing'. All you had to do is go to the Ford Racing website and see all their part numbers begin with 'M'.
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Motive Gears are made in China. I am sure they are fine, but it wouldn't be my first choice.

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Here's a picture of the cover of the box that mine came in. Read for yourself where they're made at...


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M-3601-B Ford Racing Steering wheel
M-9593-B302F Ford Racing 30# injector set
M-6766-N303 Ford Racing Breather cap
M-12297-L901 Ford Racing Billet Plug Wire separator kit

See where I am going with this? The 'M' at the beginning of the part number is designating 'Ford Racing'. All you had to do is go to the Ford Racing website and see all their part numbers begin with 'M'.
a few years ago, the M was not there........

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either way, if motive does make them for ford, its not like you have a choice what ford does.

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Thanks all. I just been reading various places and had seen multiple comments like CometGSR, but had not had verification of actual part number.

Sxar, I did look at the FRPP website and saw that everything started with an "M", hence my confusion.

95badbird. I saw similar on a different mustang website differentiating between "M" (motive) and "A"(not motive).

thanks. I will buy M-4209-F373N and be done with it.

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i got my richmond gears in mine no problems

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The FRPP Ring and Pinion Gears are not the same quality as the OEM gears you could buy at a dealership.
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The FRPP Ring and Pinion Gears are not the same quality as the OEM gears you could buy at a dealership.
What kind of a statement is that? Care to clarify?

If you mean that they're a better, higher quality than original parts because they're made specifically for racing... hence the "R" in FRPP. I'd have to agree with you.

FRPP gears are OEM; and I bought mine guess where!? ... That's right, a Ford dealership. What do you think the "F" in FRPP stands for

Mods? Yea, I got mods ...
Air silencer delete, warp drive, dilithium crystals, flux capacitor, Slingshot Rubber band power adder, Moonshine & Gas, Leaf Blower Supercharger, Hamster Wheel & Hamster, Energizer Bunny generating 1.21 gigawatts, Mr. FusionŽ Home Energy Reactor, hover conversion and a sextant celestial navigation system (The original GPS)
Best 1/4: 1,320 nanoseconds @ 670,616,629.2 miles per hour

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Please give me the secret code to identify Ford wasting parts. What bull****! Just put a set of the same gears in my son's Lincoln as I put in my TBird. They are Ford Parts. Internet crap!

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They are manufactured by motive, so what?
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They are manufactured by motive, so what?
Exactly. If Motive does manufacture the FRPP gears, they are to a specific tolerance that Ford has specified. The Motive branded gears may not follow this same tolerance.
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Look, you want different gears go buy them. I have been beating the crap out of a set of 3.73's for 3 years. Just installed a set in my sons Mark VIII which is nicely tuned by Jerry and has the Jerry modded trans. He has joined me in the assualt on the gear and will now join me at the track for further abuse. They are good gears. This just more internet abuse. jmho backed by realtime experience.

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so I asked again.....and the guy who answered, is an old friend who works/worked for Ford...not sure doing what....but at least I'm asking.

http://www.mustangworld.com/forums/s...d.php?t=641740




I use only Ford gears.....that have nothing to do with Motive....even if you believe it is internet hype, good for you. type what yall want, as I really don't care what brand you choose.

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So, I was doing a little looking on summits site, and what my bud was saying, if the part number "ENDS" in the letter M, then it is motive.

Seems they are not doing that anymore.....on the 3.73 gears that is.....

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if everyone believes it is internet hype, call the manufacturer....I didn't.....and if I am wrong, please, let me know.

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What kind of a statement is that? Care to clarify?

If you mean that they're a better, higher quality than original parts because they're made specifically for racing... hence the "R" in FRPP. I'd have to agree with you.

FRPP gears are OEM; and I bought mine guess where!? ... That's right, a Ford dealership. What do you think the "F" in FRPP stands for
Why do you talk to me like I dont have a clue ?

IF you go to the DEALERSHIP, to try to BUY a set of OEM gears ( like say out of a TRUCK FOR EXAMPLE ) with 3.73 Gears, OEM - they will give you a BOX, with a Ford part number on it - and NO, not a box that says FRPP .. I mean, an OEM box with OEM part numbers that the OEM FACTORY installed. Not all parts installed at the Factory are the same quality as the parts offered at the dealership counter, and not all dealership parts are the same quality as the Ford racing products. They cost a LOT more behind the counter than in the FRPP box.

And Yes, the OEM gears are better ( as in, STRONGER ). This was told to me by a 20+ year Ford tech from SCCOA. Take it as you will, I dont care if it makes you feel better about gears you have purchased. Im done clarifying.
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sorry i asked. i ordered what I ordered. it is done.
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sorry i asked. i ordered what I ordered. it is done.
Not to jack the thread, but I'm going to assume the gears in the link below are not made by motive? I'm getting ready to buy a set. Also, what do I need to get as far as an installation kit and what year F150 S spring do you use? I'm a rear end noob

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OEM gears are better than any aftermarket gears I have seen. They are also about twice the price.
I have adopted a policy that I charge $250 to set up OEM gears and $350 to set up aftermarket gears.
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That being said Alan them a 3.73 R&P would be 250 ? That will be a MOD down the road if the 3.27 in now does not do the SVO justice

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That is just the labor. That doesn't include any parts at all, you have to supply them.
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