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Okay, its been awhile since I've been on here lol... My striving love for my 97bird burnt a whole in my pocket hehehe... I've built a brand new motor from scratch.

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I ended up staying with the 4.6 and bored it out .30 over, billet custom cams, 44cc twisted wedge cnc heads ported, upper and lower trick flow intake (blk) valve covers (blk), pistons, manley rods, forged crank, and put a tranny cooler on it.... 200 amp altonator(blk), new vfn hood cause my custom stock one won't clear the manifold or the altonator ;/ prom 80 meter, billet oil pump, timing chain, a 3800stall torque converter, and jba shortie headers... Front sway bar 1 3/8

What I already had;
3.73 gears, rebuilt tranny with shift kit, msd coil packs, under drive pulley kit, chipped and tuned, 2.5in custom mandrel bent tru dual exhaust with magnaflow dual inlet dual outlet with built in X pipe muffler, 9mm ford racing plug wires, and 24lb injectors...

So my question is, cause I should be making almost or near 400hp to the rear wheel and close to 570 torque.... Should I be able to run my stock axels without breaking them??????????? I know by the time I procharge or whatever the bird ima need to beef up my rearend soooooo.... I did find these stage2 axels from www.thedriveshaftshop.com from watching pwoerblocktv cause they did a speical on "97thunderbird sleeper" but they're $1600... And they don't really look any thicker in the picture idk.... What are yall's opinions?????????

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Find some SC halfshafts or even better, gen 2 Mark VIII shafts and you will be good to 700+ RWHP. Both RobertP and David Neibert have stock IRS setups and are both running in the 10s putting down 650+ RWHP.

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So you're runnings those mods without a dyno tune? I think you'll need a lot more juice to provide the power you're thinking that setup would put out.

You should be more worried about the stock driveshaft (didn't see an upgrade mentioned) than anything else.

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+1 on the drive shaft. I am also wondering why you ported TF heads? Just curious, I was told they outflow just about any ported heads on the market, and there is no need at all to port them.

I congradulate you on your build and would love to see pics and a dyno sheet. I think you might be a bit optimistic on the numbers, but who knows could happen. Keep us posted pls.

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Auto's don't impact the wheels like a manual. Stock will last a while, markVIII are best.
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It will be tuned absolutely.... It should be done in a couple weeks... I still gotta come up with $1300 lol... Those were just reference numbers not exact but shud be in the ball park ya know....when its all said and done I will be recording the dyno runs and have them posted on my youtube account as well as dezracing.com I'm getting my work done at mike dez racing "they're ford specialist"... Look them up on youtube.com they do a lot of racing and won ford nationals a few times.... Also have a lot of cars outa PINKS... I think I mentioned a driveshaft to them and they said its not a big deal idk ill run it by them again and see what they say...

Also I'm looking for a big brake kit for the front if anybody knows anything...the only thing I found was from andys auto jus wondering if anybody knows of anything else.... And I was wondering peoples opinons on tire brands ie for best traction... I'm looking to get a pair of 305/40/r18 for the rear mainly street slicks....
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Can anyone specifically describe the enhanced strenght points of an SC half shaft, a Gen II MarkVIII half shaft as opposed to a typical 4.6 half shaft?

It is my understanding that Ford produced basically two different strenght half shafts. One for the n/a 3.8 V6, and another for the SC's and V8's.

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SC shafts are larger diameter bars, MArkVIII have a hardened outboard joint flange and spline.
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SC shafts are larger diameter bars, MArkVIII have a hardened outboard joint flange and spline.
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Thank you Alan for your insight.

I was on the phone today with NAPA and ask to cross reference new half shafts for the n/a 3.8, 4.6 liter, SC's and Mark VIII's.

All carry the same part number 10070N. Same with rebuilt units: part number 8379.

Interesting too that NAPA said that even though they have a part number for new half shafts they are unavailable. Could perhaps be special ordered. Cost of a rebuilt unit is $60.00ea. with a $20.00 core. Gave me a tech support number to Cardone. The OEM company that suppies the h. shafts. 1 888 280 8324.

The support tech at Cardone said they do not manufacture new half shafts. Only rebuild used ones. Again all are the same part number regardless of application.

Went on to inquire about orignal haft shafts that were installed on these cars upon assembly. Said he wasn't sure. We both agreed that perhaps OEM companys decided to save money by lumping them all together instead of four different units.

So now what I will do is with a VIN from all four cars (n/a 3.8, 4.6, SC, and Mark VIII) ask my local Ford dealer to look up the different half shaft applications.

"Strange" told me they do not supply any half shafts for these cars. Nor are there any plans to do so in the future.

Bill at SCP told me if you have a V8 it is the same as an SC.

What all this tells me is that if I pull the half shafts from an SC or Mark VIII at the bone yard it doesn't necessarily mean it is any stronger than than the two on my 4.6 Bird. After 15+ yrs. of service it could be any one of the four half shafts. Perhaps even a combonation of rebuilt parts.

One could Max Cal the "bars" and make an educated visual inspection of hardened componets.

My goal here is to document specific part numbers stamped on the half shafts themselves to know for sure, and post those results here for fellow club members.

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Thank you Alan for your insight.

I was on the phone today with NAPA and ask to cross reference new half shafts for the n/a 3.8, 4.6 liter, SC's and Mark VIII's.

All carry the same part number 10070N. Same with rebuilt units: part number 8379.

Interesting too that NAPA said that even though they have a part number for new half shafts they are unavailable. Could perhaps be special ordered. Cost of a rebuilt unit is $60.00ea. with a $20.00 core. Gave me a tech support number to Cardone. The OEM company that suppies the h. shafts. 1 888 280 8324.

The support tech at Cardone said they do not manufacture new half shafts. Only rebuild used ones. Again all are the same part number regardless of application.

Went on to inquire about orignal haft shafts that were installed on these cars upon assembly. Said he wasn't sure. We both agreed that perhaps OEM companys decided to save money by lumping them all together instead of four different units.

So now what I will do is with a VIN from all four cars (n/a 3.8, 4.6, SC, and Mark VIII) ask my local Ford dealer to look up the different half shaft applications.

"Strange" told me they do not supply any half shafts for these cars. Nor are there any plans to do so in the future.

Bill at SCP told me if you have a V8 it is the same as an SC.

What all this tells me is that if I pull the half shafts from an SC or Mark VIII at the bone yard it doesn't necessarily mean it is any stronger than than the two on my 4.6 Bird. After 15+ yrs. of service it could be any one of the four half shafts. Perhaps even a combonation of rebuilt parts.

One could Max Cal the "bars" and make an educated visual inspection of hardened componets.

My goal here is to document specific part numbers stamped on the half shafts themselves to know for sure, and post those results here for fellow club members.

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That is because the aftermarket is NOT going to list 3 or 4 part numbers for parts that will all physically fit in the same place. Henceforth, your experience at Napa.

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That is because the aftermarket is NOT going to list 3 or 4 part numbers for parts that will all physically fit in the same place. Henceforth, your experience at Napa.
Yes, you've qualified my assumptiion that aftermarket companies "lump" them together to save money.

This supports my goal of knowing specific part numbers stamped on the shafts, and their application(s).

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You know, I swapped a 1998 Mark VIII LSC rear sub-frame into my Thunderbird, and I measured the axles with a micrometer - they were like 1.25" thick! There are some green tags with part numbers on the axles, but I don't remember what the numbers were. I can check tomorrow during the day for you!

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You know, I swapped a 1998 Mark VIII LSC rear sub-frame into my Thunderbird, and I measured the axles with a micrometer - they were like 1.25" thick! There are some green tags with part numbers on the axles, but I don't remember what the numbers were. I can check tomorrow during the day for you!
Do you recall the thickness of the Thunderbird axles?

Interesting about the stronger Mark VIII haft shafts yet weaker aluminum pumpkin.

And yes I'd be very interested to know the numbers on both the Lincoln and T Bird.

You are a wealth of information, and I greatly appreciate your time and knowledge.

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Do you recall the thickness of the Thunderbird axles?

Interesting about the stronger Mark VIII haft shafts yet weaker aluminum pumpkin.

And yes I'd be very interested to know the numbers on both the Lincoln and T Bird.

You are a wealth of information, and I greatly appreciate your time and knowledge.

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Saturday I'm going up to Tally to visit a friend with a 95 TBird like mine - I'll measure his axles for you. I don't know how I would get part numbers on the original 95 'Bird axles unless there happens to be a tag on them (I will definitely look).

I just know I have the OEM numbers on mine.

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Ok, I just looked at my axles that came out of a 1998 LSC and the tags say F5LW-AA on them.

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Ok, I just looked at my axles that came out of a 1998 LSC and the tags say F5LW-AA on them.
Alright! Progress already. I will log that alphanumeric for a '98 Lincoln LSC.

Eventually I hope to confirm that alphanumeric is indeed an original part, and different than those on n/a 3.8, 4.6 sohc's, and SC's.

Btw: Those LSC's are really nice cars. Blk on blk, smoked lenses, limo tint, wicked stealth mojo mover.

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Saturday I'm going up to Tally to visit a friend with a 95 TBird like mine - I'll measure his axles for you. I don't know how I would get part numbers on the original 95 'Bird axles unless there happens to be a tag on them (I will definitely look).

I just know I have the OEM numbers on mine.
Ever get a chance to measure those axles?

I've been on the phone with a couple of Ford dealerships, and the parts guys said they could give me a part number through a VIN number but, that wont give any information on specific design differences between them.

Thing to do at this point is take the VIN numbers I have in person to the dealership and get those alphanumerics (like the one you gave me). Over the phone is too cumbersome with this kind of strange request.

Then with those actual part numbers to verify specific application measure each axle, and visually inspect each axle for any differences. Be nice to just lay them all out on the floor and take a close look.

So if any of you SC owners, and naturally aspirated 3.8 owners could give me a measurement of at least axle diameter, and any tag numbers, if you think your half shafts are original, I'd be deeply grateful for your time and effort.

Hope no one is offended by my research to verify above mentioned better axles.


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