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ESPN: Ford submits Mustang for 2013 NASCAR Sprint Cup approval

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Ford Mustang NASCAR Nationwide Race Car - Click above for high-res image gallery

Forget the Fusion, Ford is making a move to bring the Mustang to Nascar's Sprint Cup Series. Ford has informed NASCAR decisionmakers that it wishes to begin racing the Mustang in the highest level of left-turning motorsports.

Replacing the Fusion is a process that could take all year, and Ford is required to show that the Mustang is a competitive equal to the cars it will race against. The reason behind the move is that Ford wants to show fans they can buy a car right off the showroom floor that mimics the one they watch every weekend on TV.

As fans of the roundy round are already aware, the Blue Oval already races a Mustang stock car in NASCAR - in the Nationwide Series. The pony car shown above made its competition debut last July during the Subway Jalapeno 250 at Daytona International Speedway.

We understand you can't purchase the same exact Mustang that will be hunting down rival racers around the county. In fact, we already know that you won't be able to purchase anything like a Sprint Cup Mustang for street use. But Ford knows that millions of people tune-in and show up to support their favorite drivers and brands. At least on some level, adding the Mustang to the mix makes more sense since the production car provides real driving thrills for its owners. Besides, unlike the Fusion, it's actually available in a coupe bodystyle like those used in NASCAR.

Now... if we can get Chevrolet to bring in the Camaro and Dodge to show up with the Challenger, we could be on the cusp of something special. Thanks for the tip, JR!


Gallery: 2010 Ford Mustang NASCAR Nationwide Series race car


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My respect for nascar has hit another all time low
Why is that?

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Well other than going in a circle; The lack of relation to production cars, the lack of race on Sunday sell on Monday mindset, the stickers, the hillbillies, the rules, the safety, and now the use of mustang stickers on a Fusionish shape...I could elaborate on all points, but I don't want to write a book at the moment.

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Well other than going in a circle; The lack of relation to production cars, the lack of race on Sunday sell on Monday mindset, the stickers, the hillbillies, the rules, the safety, and now the use of mustang stickers on a Fusionish shape...I could elaborate on all points, but I don't want to write a book at the moment.
Understood. I am not, nor have I ever been a big fan of Nascar. I have to say, I agree with you on most every point you make. I wish the cars were actually real cars. That's what kept the car companies competing.

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Why not just run the Miata?
Last time I checked, the Mustang is not a Mid-sized car, so how does NASCAR rationalize the Mustang?

So next year is NASCAR going to let INDY cars run too? IMHO the only difference between NASCAR and INDY is open wheel and INDY doesn't allow wrecking.

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Why not just run the Miata?
Last time I checked, the Mustang is not a Mid-sized car, so how does NASCAR rationalize the Mustang?

So next year is NASCAR going to let INDY cars run too? IMHO the only difference between NASCAR and INDY is open wheel and INDY doesn't allow wrecking.
There are more differences than just wheels and wrecks between IndyCar/F1 and Non-Athletic Sport Centered Around Rednecks.

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Last time I checked, the Mustang is not a Mid-sized car, so how does NASCAR rationalize the Mustang?
Well in their defense, todays car categories are so convoluted and inconsistant it takes a true salesman to explain how something as large as the newer Mustang/Challenger/Camaros are compact ponycars.

Plus back when NASCAR was casually refered to as "stock car" and wasn't boring, the midsize car didn't even exist.

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Well in their defense, todays car categories are so convoluted and inconsistant it takes a true salesman to explain how something as large as the newer Mustang/Challenger/Camaros are compact ponycars.

Plus back when NASCAR was casually refered to as "stock car" and wasn't boring, the midsize car didn't even exist.
Well said.

Back "in the day" all cars were full-size.

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They need to bring back full size coupes in Nascar, that would force carmakers to actually start making fullsize coupes again and prompting the likely return of the Thunderbird and the Monte Carlo. I think the cars can use spaceframes but should use exact sheet metal and engines from the production cars...

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......I think the cars can use spaceframes but should use exact sheet metal and engines from the production cars...
I agree with this.

I read part of the report on NASCAR Mustangs and remember it stating that NASCAR was losing some of its appeal due to the fact that all the cars look alike. You can't tell what they are unless you have time to read the stickers! So as long as they used the exact shape of the real car, I'd be ok with it. I don't even care if its stock sheetmetal (I mean lets face it, even back in 69 when they were racing Mustans in TransAm series they were acid dipping the bodies.) But make them recognizable. That will help the "win on Sunday sell on Monday" idea come back.

I don't even care if Ford wants to race Mustangs in NASCAR (IF NASCAR approves it... that has yet to be seen yet). I'd rather they brought back the full/midsize coupes but at this point.....

Also seem to remember them saying that NASCAR had finally approved Fuel Injection!.. Now if only they'd say "go ahead and use the factory style engines.. (would love to see what the race teams could do with a DOHC Mod motor in a NASCAR racer)


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Hate to brake it to ya but the MN-12 is MidSized, yeah its a technicality to get into NASCAR but still is officially a mid-size. So were all the cars from the past (well since 66).

NASCAR offers no real innovation since it uses a 30y/o fuel system (out of use), and providing the teams with a car so that the manufacture has to do nothing plus the use of non production engines.

The pony car is not compact class but the small class.

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Ever park one of these next to a S197? The only thing smaller is the wheelbase. MN12's today classify more as midsize than they did in their day.

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You, my friends, are the latter in the best sense of the term.

No offense intended. If so, I do apologize.

I'm just a damn Yankee from Ohio myself, what do I know about NASCAR? ...

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Hate to brake it to ya but the MN-12 is MidSized, yeah its a technicality to get into NASCAR but still is officially a mid-size. So were all the cars from the past (well since 66).NASCAR offers no real innovation since it uses a 30y/o fuel system (out of use), and providing the teams with a car so that the manufacture has to do nothing plus the use of non production engines.

The pony car is not compact class but the small class.
i don't think i would call my 73 bird a mid size car.....I would hate to see what a full size would look like then!


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72-76 Tbirds were full size based on the Mark IV platform, they became midsized 77 on when they were moved to the LTDII/Cougar platform. They never raced the 72-76 in NASCAR though, they ran Torinos

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Its funny that even the mn12s were called midsize, my friend has a 2002 BMW 745i and my car is 7/10 of an inch longer than his, and his is a "full size" four door.

I never thought my Thunderbird was a "big car" until I saw that.

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Well the kicker is the FN-10 (MK8) has the same will base but over all is 3inches longer than the MN-12.

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Ford's run the Mustang in NASCAR Grand National/Winston Cup/Nextel Cup/Sprint Cup racing before ...Bobby Allison drove one to a win in '71

It seems funny that NASCAR is saying "Ford is required to show that the Mustang is a competitive equal to the cars it will race against. The reason behind the move is that Ford wants to show fans they can buy a car right off the showroom floor that mimics the one they watch every weekend on TV." With the new race cars, the only thing different are the decals. Even when they ran the Fusion, Camry, Charger, and Monte Carlo bodies, they were so twisted they lost the connections.

Now, through the '80s and '90s, they had to use a factory supplied nose, hood, roof, trunk, and rear end piece. If they were to go BACK to something like that, I'd dig it.
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Now, through the '80s and '90s, they had to use a factory supplied nose, hood, roof, trunk, and rear end piece. If they were to go BACK to something like that, I'd dig it.
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I work a souvenior stand at ATL motor speedway every year and i gotta tell you that some of the people that come to the track could be there on momma's and daddy's!!!! but there are some freakin hotties that come to the race too!

But the economic boom that the local communties get are pretty darn great too.

and its a pretty [email protected] awesome feeling when they have a good flyby or when you have all 43 cars bunched up and they go by at full speed and you can feel your chest shake from all that power.

But with all that being said I really wish they would get back to there roots with cars that you can acutally tell what it is with out reading the darn stickers!!
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